Mike Tyson - The Hardest puncher in History

Have you ever done jury service? I really hope not.

 

Absolute bull****, how can you sat Tyson hit harder than Morrison?? Better finisher without a doubt.

 

its not fair to say : 'Tyson not a heavy hitter its all speed. hearns not a heavy hitter its all leverage. hamed not a heavy puncher its all timing' etc. tell that to their unconscious opponents.
Power is a mix of many things, personal to each fighter. in boxing we measure simply, we don't have a psi meter in boxing, to measure power we look at the resume and the results. when Tyson hit clean it was usually over and against good chins too and it was usually quick. He wasn't an attrition type so much, more a ko specialist like hearns and hamed. call it speed call it timing call it raw strength the result is the same. Tyson was one of the very best at kayoing big men full stop, so was therefore one of the best punchers theres ever been.

 

Who said he wasn't one of the best? Of course he's one of the heaviest hitting champions out there but plenty other fighters did hit harder in the division.

 

Please tell me how youre measuring it.

 

The same way as you I'm guessing....

 

cant be because weve got different results, how do you measure it?

 

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Annubis a fascinating ****ysis, thank you.

Better finisher than Morrison & the vast majority yes. But it makes no sense whatsoever to assume all the things Tyson did BETTER than Morrison have no impact of finishing, & just assume Tyson hit harder!
better combinations & accuracy are the major factors, & you should know their defenses & some other skills are not comparable.

Seamus & the few others who say things like:


"Quite a lot of nonsense is spoken here and in many other posts on this topic. many saying, speed, force, accuracy, balance, effectiveness blah blah, call it what you want, it is still known as "PUNCHING" and no one done it better or harder than Michael Gerard Tyson!"

There is nonsense spoken in all directions, & I would never suggest the fallacy that what is the more popular opinion is correct.
but it does not make sense to dismiss without even addressing arguments every distinction made.

Since speed, accuracy, work rate, combinations, quality of opposition, even defense & endurance can help produce KOs, it is foolishness to just look at results as establishing pure punching power!

It is equally silly to try to conflate effectiveness with power.

Most here seem to get it. In science, you isolate variables to account for what causes an effect in question. And examine a large enough sample size when making a statistical argument.

Otherwise you can point to, say, individual heavy smokers who lived long due to luck, genetics, other healthy behavior...And conclude that smoking does not impair life span or actually enhances it!

Common opponents, common sense, & I will bet Tyson himself would argue that Tyson certainly did not hit the hardest ever.

Some will only root for their hero or who the over-identify with.
It is fine to admire skills, but not to sacrifice neutrality to what you WANT to believe. That is "fan boy" juvenile territory.

A few cannot think with the sophistication to realize that almost all say Tyson hit very very hard. Just not the hardest ever.

You see a man near 7' tall, he dwarfs most all you who ever known.
Doies not mean there are not some taller or even much taller.

Lastly: it is lazy & unfair to assume ALL use PEDs.
And the opposite of blind fandom is the hating that will not look at facts.
There is *never* an answer to those who say that by his early teens Tyson, not at all tall for an adult, was ~ 200 lbs. And apparently did 10 reps with 250 lbs. on the bench press the 1st time he tried!

Most men can MAYBE achieve that level-near their very max., after years of rigorous lifting. Assuming decent form, not the cheating /partial reps./bouncing off chest/&/or arching back so many do.

Nobody has a plausible way how a poor, unconnected juvenile delinquent Tyson had access to, let alone took, PEDs as a pre-teen.

nor is it reasonable to assume Foreman & many others with big bone structures are not clearly within natural potential.

Being extremely cynical absent evidence is as misguided & irrational as assuming nobody ever uses who was not caught doing so.

 

I know there is a difference between finishing and power but I don't recall Morrison ever KO'ing a ranked heavyweight. Am I wrong? His vaunted power didn't put away a single ranked heavyweight in his entire career?

Tyson KO'd quite a damn lot of them.

At some point, that is more than just "finishing ability". It's called power.

 

Nothing to do with power or even finishing ability, he was just a poorer fighter. He put away fighters that even Tyson couldn't so your point means nothing.

 

Tyson, Foreman, Louis, Lewis, Bowe, etc are all 10/10 in punching power.
Foreman, Bowe, Louis etc combine physical strength as well. Tyson's punching
power is at the highest level, physical strength is not. A lot of fighters have eaten plenty from the aforementioned boxers. Sometimes I think we downplay punching power because of how tough some opponents are. As for the hardest we need the PSI machine from Rocky 4. By the way Frazier was ok after the 6th knockdown?! No Frazier simply would not stop unless the ref or trainer stepped in, he was that type of dude.

 

You speak of science so I ask you, apart from heresay i.e ' one or two testimonies from rare common oppnents who's comments are a) not necessarily reliable, and b) only represent a tiny proportion of the study, how do you measure hitting power? what criteria are you using to say that morrisson hits harder or foreman?

 

Unless you've got an accurate punch machine I'm guessing your criteria is just as much as a guess as ours....

 

as I said earlier, all weve got is the resume and the performances.

Its impossible to say mathematically who delivers more force in the moment.

We look at the number of kayos, then the level of the opponents kayoed, and their chins, then how those opponents did against other known opponents, then we look at the manner and circumstances of individual kayoes. One shot? clean kayo? or accumulation. ability to do it consistently at the highest level, how prolific? How long does it generally take? When I know this I can compare him to other fighters. Then we get a rational debate