Criticizing Jones' resume

Great post!

Under different circumstances, he could have unified the division.

 

How was Roy's SMW resume terrible?

After beating Toney, he only had five other fights at the weight.

That's only six official SMW fights, before he moved up to LHW, because he couldn't unify the division.

So how can you criticise that?

He could have remained at SMW for years, and made a record number of defences like Joe did, and like Dariusz did at LHW.

But we know you wouldn't have respected whatever the final number had been.

You'd have instead blasted him for staying in a weak division, when he could have moved up to LHW.

Ha! That's how it would have gone down.

If he'd have stayed, you'd have ridiculed him.

But he went up, yet you still blast him.

When a guy has an agenda like you, nothing is going to satisfy him.


How could he have fought Benn, Eubank and Liles?

Tell us.


Tim Littles had been knocked out in three rounds by James Toney.

Gerald only had one official SMW fight during Roy's reign, which was his tragic one against Benn.

Jackson only had one fight at SMW during Roy's SMW reign, which was a keep busy fight. At MW, Don King offered Roy the fight, but he wanted future options, which Roy wouldn't give him.

 

Facts are facts, and my opinions are all based on logic.

I know how you work.

It's not hard to figure out.

If he'd remained at SMW without fighting Benn or Liles, and fought another 10-20 fights, you'd have crucified him.

It's obvious.

Joe was faced with the same dilemma as Roy, but he decided to stay at SMW, instead of moving up to LHW.

Which of course was his prerogative.

He then had to wait another four years to unify.

Which meant that it had taken him ten years in total, to become the undisputed man in the division.

Again, if Roy had remained at SMW, I'm sure that at some point, he could have ended up being the man in the division, had he kept hold of the IBF, beat Malinga for the WBC, and then waited for the WBA.

But if that had've happened, would you have given him credit?

From reading all of your posts, I think we all know the answer to that question.

But because he didn't do that, you'll now use it as a stick to beat him with.

But what you don't understand, is that statistics don't allow for circumstances.

Roy left SMW, and he did all he could at LHW, apart from fighting Dariusz. Let's not pretend that Dariusz would ever have held all three of the belts, because he would never have fought all of his mandatories, or travelled to the U.S. for the fights.

So Roy ended up unifying at LHW.

He then went up and won a version of the HW title.

He then went back to LHW and reclaimed the LHW titles.

So you can talk all you want about him not being the man in any division, or only holding a paper belt at HW etc.

But what he did, eclipses what a guy like Joe did, even though Joe was legitimately the man.

Can't you see that?

What Roy did was a bigger achievement.

Again, statistics don't allow for circumstances.

 

This so wrong on so many levels ..The last part is even more of joke ..

 

Roy Jones did over navigate his career to avoid tough challengers, but he's still an all time great with excellent victories over Toney, Hopkins, McCallum, Hill, Tarver, and Ruiz. He should have fought Michalczewski, Nunn, and Calzaghe instead of some of the very weak opponents he actually did fight; so he did badly pad his record. But there is no denying that in his prime he was amazing and a force to be reckoned with.

I agree with the comparison OP made between Jones Jr and Mayweather Jr. Both have excellent records, but their skills suggest that they were capable of so much more if they'd only tried. If they had been more ambitious or less greedy perhaps they would be a top 20 or 30 all time great instead of a top 40 or 50. They had the natural ability to be as good as the greatest fighters of the past, but not the will.

I also wish that Jones had stuck it out longer at heavyweight the way that Toney did. He could have matched up well with guys like Chris Byrd.

 

KillSomething,

He's entitled to his opinion.

But there's always two sides to every story.

There's always reasons why certain things did and didn't happen.

It's easy to just look at his resume, and then assume that he ducked every puncher etc.

We've got evidence that he offered Benn seven figures and sent his representatives to the Malinga fight.

We've got evidence where King offered Roy a Jackson fight, but wanted to tie him in to a contract.

Gerald and Roy missed each other at MW, but possibly could have met at SMW, had he not been tragically hurt against Benn.

Just how many huge punchers did Roy miss?

He went up to a HW to fight a 226 pound guy who'd dropped Evander.

Don't tell me that Ruiz wasn't a big punching guy, to a 34 year old LHW who'd moved up?

After Ruiz, a fight with Evander was almost made.

I believe a fight with Tyson would have happened in 2004, had he and Mike both not suffered bad knockout defeats.

He missed guys due to circumstances.

Also, the guy who you're quoting has contradicted himself.

He's said that Roy wouldn't/didn't fight any world class pressure fighters.

But then notes that when he did, he got knocked out. atsch

So he did fight them then?

He also fought Tarver three times, and he fought Joe C at almost 40, who was renowned for his stamina, pressure and work rate.

So he wasn't the serial ducker that you make him out to be.

Ha!

You want to talk about being objective?

The guy who starts a thread, titled - Let's all laugh at Roy's embarrassing career.?

:rofl

But it's easy to say that isn't it?

In the real world things aren't that simple.

I could say that Joe C had a great career, but if only he'd have just moved up to LHW earlier and fought Roy, Dariusz M, then gone on to fight Tarver etc.

I could say that Floyd is one of the greatest ever, but if only he could have fought Oscar and Shane earlier, then fought Marg and Pac, before finishing off his career by challenging GGG.

It's all a fantasy.

A MW fight with Gerald in 94, would have been great. But after one defence of his IBF belt, he went after one of the best fighters in the world at SMW. Gerald didn't move up to SMW until the following year.

You keep mentioning a Benn unification. It wasn't possible.

Collins was a good fighter, but nobody cared about the WBO belt.

A Dariusz fight would have been great. But for the millionth time, neither guy would travel.

Hopkins priced himself out of a rematch. He was offered $6m, plus a $3m comeback fight by HBO if he'd have lost.

HW fights against Byrd and Sanders would have brought less money than Ruiz, and Roy was a LHW approaching 35. He wanted huge money to remain there, as would anyone.

I don't believe you.

 

Lou much respect for fighting the good fight but your wasting your time here he is giving more credit to People like Joe Calzaghe and Hopkins yet neither of the 2 had a better resume than Roy !

 

:good

 

I feel it's my duty to try and educate idiots.

 

Good luck some are hopeless

 

A guy with a hidden agenda to buld up calzaghe as the greatest smw ever and destroy roy. has dug up two turds and created a mountain of shizit to destroy roy's entire career.

Anyone that has ever watched a prime roy knew they were looking at something special he simply outclassed most of the people he fought. The right hand lead he perfected and the bolo punch that hipnotized. In the world of boxing this kind of talent is rare and for sure it is often not appreciated but hated ( rigo, floyd,pep,ali)

 

Roy was injured in the Hopkins fight, but that fight would always be a chess match due to their styles.. Roy still impressed with some wicked combos, and switching in and out of the southpaw stance.

Roy landed well over 200 power shots on Toney yet he was unwilling to engage???

Numbers don't lie, you do.:deal


Anyone who can't appreciate the masterclass Roy put on Toney, I have no idea why they watch boxing.