Wilder will prove to be POISON for Wlad and his style.

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  1. Piece

    Piece Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wilder has a longer reach, is more agile, with fast hands, fast reflexes, and let's face it, enough power to knock Wlad out.

    How many times did Wilder clinch against Stiverne???

    Imagine if that was Wlad fighting Stiverne, you would expect to see at least a hundred clinches.

    Wlad doesn't have the stamina to fight a sustained fight against a tall sharp shooter like Wilder who doesn't stop moving.

    Wlad does have an excellent leaping left hook but Wilder's refexes proved to be great, plus his reach will make it exceptionally hard for Wlad to land that punch.

    I don't think Wlad has confidence in his stamina to beat Wilder and will inevitably panic and get knocked out.

    At first, it will seem Wlad is in control, but eventually Wilder will take over and take Wlad out.

    Right now, you have to favor Wlad, but Wilder is POISON for Wlad.

    As Wilder gains confidence, when the fight gets made, the US will finally have a heavyweight champion.
     
  2. Piece

    Piece Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It's just the changing of the guard. Wilder will go onto be dominant until another Mike Tyson comes along to take him out.

    Then, you'll see huge guys that can take sustained punishment, followed by guys that are huge and strong, and can box like Klitschko.

    Then thin guys that can crack and move will come in and beat the big guys like Klitscho, then comes Tyson again.

    Rinse and repeat.
     
  3. brb

    brb Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wlad will pick him apart.

    He is a master utilizing space. Wilder throws looping shots as well.

    All wrong for Wlad.
     
  4. Piece

    Piece Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wlad can beat big slow guys, in fact he dominates them.

    But when you get a guy like Wilder that will FORCE Wlad to box. Wilder who has TREMENDOUS stamina, ridiculous power, and great hand speed, will put tremendous pressure on Wlad, and he will fold.

    Wlad won't be able to clinch and he won't be able to dictate the pace as he normally does because Wilder has a long enough reach to make Wlad have to utilize his defense against a tall and fast opponent.

    When is the last time Wlad fought against a guy that had those attributes.

    The last time Wlad fought a guy like Wilder was when he fought Sanders, and we all know what happened there.
     
  5. Piece

    Piece Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Don't get it twisted, nothing against Wlad.

    I think Wlad is a great heavyweight, one of the best of all time.

    The thing is, Styles make fights.

    Wilder has the STYLE to beat Wlad, and one day he will, and it will be in dominating fashion.

    It doesn't mean that Wlad was a fraud. In fact, Wlad is a great fighter, it's just Wilder has the style to beat him.

    That's all there is to it.
     
  6. Jennifer Love Hewitt

    Jennifer Love Hewitt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Have to favor Wlad. Wlad will clinch the hell out of Wilder. Use his 25lb weight advantage to tire Wilder out and stop him late.
    Wilder has a slim punchers chance if he can get of first, but the slightest movement form Wilder and Wlad will clinch for 2 and a half minutes of every round, and the ref will let him.
     
  7. ludwig

    ludwig Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I wasn't overly impressed with Wilder's inside game. I imagine Klitschko would get inside and rough him up. Think Lennox vrs Vitali, except the guy playing Vitali is skinnier and less skilled/determined.

    But Wilder's speed, power, and youth give him a puncher's chance at least. He matches up better vrs Wlad than Povetkin or Fury do.
     
  8. brb

    brb Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "TREMENDOUS" stamina? He just went past 4 rounds for the first time in his career. Let's hold off on "TREMENDOUS".

    Wilder has several weaknesses:

    Looping shots
    Weak lower body
    Limited top-tier experience
     
  9. Piece

    Piece Well-Known Member Full Member

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    How can he clinch Wilder?

    We're not talking about a guy that needs to get close to Wlad or a guy that's big and slow and has low stamina.

    We're talking about a guy who didn't need to clinch ONE TIME last night against Stiverne, at least not as part of his overall game plan.

    Wlad won't be able to clinch Wilder.

    That's the benefit of being only 220 lbs at 6'7.''

    Wilder has TREMENDOUS stamina.

    Wlad will prove to be the one with the stamina issues in this fight, and a lot of that is due to Wlad being 25 lbs heavier, as well as older by a relatively significant margin.

    Wlad's weight will not even matter in this fight.

    This fight will take place at a distance until Wilder lands and finishes the fight with wild combinations.
     
  10. Piece

    Piece Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wlad doesn't punch to the body.

    Wilder's reach could allow him to send looping shots around Wlad's guard that Wlad doesn't see, that his other opponents cannot do because they simply don't have the reach, speed, and athleticism.

    I agree with you about Wilder's competition.

    WILDER DOES NEED SOME MORE FIGHTS.

    Put him in with Tyson Fury, and WATCH and SEE!

    He will knock Fury out. I just hope Fury can put up a decent enough fight to make Wilder WORK a little.
     
  11. Paperagent

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    Wilder is nowhere near the athlete that Wlad is. He's not more agile like you said he is, he's not quicker in hand and foot speed, is nowhere near as skilled, does not hit harder, and have the superior coordination, motor control and general mobility that Wlad posses.

    Wlad is not the stiff Eastern Euro people like to pass him off as being. Wilder is stiff, and it shows in his in ring mannerism; just like when throwing a jab for instance. It shows nowhere near the fluidity that you would see from a Klitschko jab.

    Too me, even though Wilder proved himself to me as a serious heavyweight contender (not champion since Wlad is the real champion, and all he has is a paper belt), he still only has a punchers chance.

    Wilder is not out boxing Wlad. Wlad looks more impressive fighting taller men than he does fighting shorter ones.
     
  12. Piece

    Piece Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You know, I was thinking this, but then I saw that people were still complaining about this guy and calling him a fraud.

    I'm happy that this is happening because I think Wilder sees the criticism and is determined to prove his critics wrong.

    I learned this after Wilder reiterated what everyone was saying was wrong with him.

    Last night, we saw his defense, we saw his stamina, and we saw his composure.

    The problem with Wilder is, nobody can seem to last more than 4 rounds, with the exception of Stiverne.

    Obviously, Wilder needs more rounds.

    The only way he's going to ultimately improve is to get more experience. I think his next fight should be against Tyson Fury.

    I know that Tyson is dangerous, but I think Tyson has improved tremendously and he will give him a look of an opponent that has a similar style to Wlad at least.

    Then maybe Wilder should fight a guy like Jennings and maybe that guy with that huge chin that fought Wlad a few fights ago, and managed to survive.

    A big guy.

    Maybe that guy can give Wilder some rounds, but Wilder definitely needs to get in with guys that can box like Fury and Jennings before you put him up against Wlad.

    Unfortunately, Wlad is going to stop Jennings and maybe ruin his confidence, but in the event that Jennings does a great job and maybe even survives, that's another great opportunity for Wilder to learn the game at the elite level.
     
  13. Piece

    Piece Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I never said Wlad was stiff. I think Wlad is an amazing athlete, but I think Wilder just matches up in a way where he can take advantage of Wlad's weaknesses.
     
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  15. Big Red

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    After sparring with Wlad I believe Wilder said it was a humbling experience, but having a long reach with power and quickness are very good attributes to have. And make him a threat to anyone, especially to those without good chins.