Heavyweight top ten looking something like this now?

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  1. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Should Fury be defined by that one performance? Since when does a knock down equate to winning by the skin of one's teeth?
    Fury took his time rising which suggested he was unhurt and had his senses about him.
    USS tried to follow up but his punches just bounced off him. Rabbit punching was down to Cunningham clinging to Fury like a molusk.

    Cunningham gets away scot free for all his clinching and mauling on the inside.
    Fury revived high praises from Cunningham in camp for Haye when he showed his disciplined professional side. Cunningham was disgusted with Fury after the fight so he'd have no reason to lie.

    That goofball Fury is long gone. He's a self admitted new man now and we've seen whats to come going by his clinical shut out against Chisora.
    Cunningham was a bit of a shambles . His trainer got left behind and the occasion got to him but he's improving everytime , that much is undeniable
     
    dinovelvet, Jan 23, 2015
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  2. IKSAB

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    A very lucky split decision win over Perez is in no way better than completely dominating and stopping Chisora. Perez has looked awful since the Mago fight.

    Who has Spzilka beaten where you can possibly put him above Cunningham? Since he lost to Fury Cunningham has had a much better win in Mansour than any on Szpilkas resume.

    Fedesov over Chisora/Johnson? Fedesov has beaten no one. Apart from Fury, Chisora has only lost to the Haye and Vitali (not counting the robbery against Helenius). Chisora is getting way underrated here
     
    IKSAB, Jan 23, 2015
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  3. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    um are we supposed to be impressed with this or something? Chisora is British Level. He is awful. What exactly does this prove? And furthermore is was a boring fight something you are always criticizing Wlad for. If Wlad went 12 then 10 rounds with Chisora I would suggest he retire. That is how bad Chisora is.
     
    Rico Spadafora, Jan 23, 2015
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  4. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Chisora was better than Sam Peter and he is one of Wlads best wins. And Wlad was lucky Peter was slow and had only the gas tank to go 4 rounds, otherwise he would have been knocked out
     
    dinovelvet, Jan 23, 2015
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  5. McGrain

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    119-104 x3 is a thrashing and is one sided. Povetkin maintained, until the eighth, a semblance of tension, but he was hardly making those rounds close.

    If you want to say that the officiating is what made it so, I think that's reasonable, and if you want to say that his being the #1 contender entitles him to a rematch, I think that that is reasonable - but if you want to say that this fight wasn't one-sided, that it wasn't a bloody good hiding, that's where we would irrevocably part ways on the subject.

    Well you seem to regard him as some sort of joke who disgraces the upper reaches of the division. Even if he beat Wladimir, you indicate he wouldn't impress you. I think that's very extreme.

    Just because i'm interested, I started a poll on another forum (didn't want to crowd you by starting it here), yeah, that forum, asking who Wlad should fight next, and nobody voted for anyone but Wilder or Fury - that's 100% of votes were for Wilder and Fury.

    Now in fairness I should say that boggle voted for Fury, then said in the thread that he'd made a mistake and would rather have Povetkin II, but every vote cast was for one of these two. I think that's a fair reflection of how people feel about the issue.

    On the other hand you've said that even the winner of Povetkin-Wilder facing Wladimir would represent some sort of joke - I honestly don't think you'd find anyone on the internet outside of the very extreme anti-Klitscko/Fury trolls to agree with you on that one, and I think a majority of people would see a defence of either by Wladimir if the Jennings fight fell through as a very reasonable defence.

    And I think the contrary point of view is pretty extreme.
     
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  6. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    No, Chisora isn't better than Sam Peter. Peter was actually able to win an alphabet belt. Chisora has lost every big fight he was in and he wasn't in many big fights. :lol::rofl

    Let me explain something to you. Chisora sucks just like David Price sucks. British Level isn't even Class C boxing. It is an embarrassing joke.
     
    Rico Spadafora, Jan 23, 2015
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  7. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Performance against the same opponents proves Chisora is a better boxer than Peter.
    Chisora beat Hilenius from pillar to post. Hilenius toyed with Peter before knocking him out something horrible.
    Vitali also toyed with Peter. Chisora beat Vitali all the way to the hospital .:rofl:oops:
     
    dinovelvet, Jan 23, 2015
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  8. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    Chisora lost 10 rounds to 2 to Vitali he did not beat him around the ring. Quit embarrassing yourself.
     
    Rico Spadafora, Jan 23, 2015
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  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Fuck off you absolute toss.

    What kind of "fan" denigrates fighters like that? You call Chisora an embarrassing joke (and worse). God knows what you make of fighters like John Simpson and Martin Lindsay, good honest professionals who make their living boxing, punched for pay.

    Dereck Chisora won the European heavyweight title (yeah yeah i know, "Eureopan level isn't **** :lol::rofl", predictable idiot), a marked achievement and one that makes him a part of boxing history - forever. Sorry. He's not a "joke". He's not an "embarrassment". He's just not world class.

    The kind of person who laughs at any boxer outside the world class is exactly the sort of poster this forum could do without, but it's not and never was a banning offence. But if I still moderated the general forum I would ban you for your endless nationalistic trolling, which is the sum total of your contribution to this site.

    I do actually have the ability to remove you, but because I don't moderate here, I won't do that. But stay off classic. If I see you there i'm going to ban you based upon my appraisal of you as a known troll, and known trolls aren't tolerated on that sub-forum.
     
    McGrain, Jan 23, 2015
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  10. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    Chisora isn't a world class Boxer. He is British level. That isn't trolling. He is no different than Seth Mitchell who is American. Am I now trolling Americans? :rofl:patsch

    You are a snot nosed kid who thinks he is a Boxing expert. Nothing more. Your threats towards me are meaningless. I am not trolling on here. You have a clear agenda trying to elevate fighters like Chisora and Cunningham (again an American) this is a Boxing forum and I WILL discuss boxing on here. That isn't nationalistic trolling. I don't care where someone is from I call it like it is. And Chisora just like Price and Mitchell are not good fighters. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
     
    Rico Spadafora, Jan 23, 2015
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  11. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    He sure did. Vitali was punched back all night. Watch the fight instead of looking up the scorecards yeah?
     
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  12. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    And I will post in the classic forum as I see fit. Find one 'troll' post I have made over there. Just because you don't like someones OPINION or THOUGHTS that DOES NOT make it 'trolling'. You got that?
     
    Rico Spadafora, Jan 23, 2015
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  13. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    I watched the fight and it was one sided in Vitali's favor as all 3 judges agreed.
     
    Rico Spadafora, Jan 23, 2015
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  14. dinovelvet

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    The point was Chisora pushed Vitali to the end in a good looking performance. Peter was shut totally out, never even in it before getting stopped.

    That equates to Chisora being a level above Peter.
     
    dinovelvet, Jan 23, 2015
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  15. Mendoza

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    About right. The Divison lacks some depth.

    M. Majidov, Ivan Dychko, and Filip Hrgovic need to go pro.

    Majodov for sure is a serious power puncher with durability and skills.

    Dychko a very tall and mobile boxer.

    Hrgovic has world class tools. He just needs to put it all together.
     
    Mendoza, Jan 23, 2015
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