Explain the Ducking History of Great Fighters Part I: Roy Jones

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  1. KillSomething

    KillSomething Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Imperial, Rhino, et al:

    Loudon posting a bunch of inane nonsense on the other thread and all of you agreeing with him doesn't refute my points. I made this thread specifically so that he can come here and lay all his points out in one place WITH EVIDENCE, not psychology on the inner workings of Roy's brain and bs about how he didn't duck Holyfield so how can he have ducked all these other guys. That thread was all over the place and people were repeating things right and left.

    I've posted my positions. They're right there for you to take down all at once. Since you know stuff, you can take a crack at it yourself or stfu and wait for smart people to have a discussion while you listen.
     
  2. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    lol.. having a dig at a (light) middle weight for "ducking" HWs.

    in what universe do they normally even consider fighting hws?

    pathetic thread.
     
  3. jim jim

    jim jim Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    what about the other weights thoug?
     
  4. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Everything was already covered in the exaft same thread you already made.

    "Lets all have a laugh at Roy Jones embarrassing career" -KillSomething

    "Im not a Roy Jones hater" -KillSomething

    :rofl
     
  5. HerolGee

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    some cases can be made at lower weights for individuals, which could easily made at many others in the divisions, but the strongest case is at LHW not facing Darius.

    shame, he'd have torn DMs head off outside Germany.
     
  6. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    I am not going to bother responding to you anymore concerning Jones.. There is no point.
     
  7. Beast-Mode

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    No boxer fought every fighter there was available at the time of their reign. Anybody that tries to argue against that is just plain dumb.
     
  8. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    unnnnh pathof least resistance is the opposite of going all the way up through to HW.


    how utterly misled this path of least resistance theory is. its like it proves the opposite of what it intends to.

    just rubbish theory man, like stubbornly sticking to the belief that you'll fall off the edge of the world if you sail too far.
     
  9. jim jim

    jim jim Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    most say though that he took a few too many soft touches, could he not have fought better oppoisition at times in his career, from reading the threads on it it looks like he should have fought nunn collins roch and maybe darius
     
  10. KillSomething

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    The standout ducks in my mind are McClellan, Benn or Collins, Nunn or Rocchigiani, and DM. I don't think anyone can make a good case for not fighting all of those guys. It's not like Jones went and fought someone better instead.

    HW I don't care about, I only list the other beltholders to show just how much of a pointless cherrypick it was to face the weakest guy who had one of Lennox Lewis's belts gifted to him. The Ruiz win was completely devoid of significance. Completely.
     
  11. jim jim

    jim jim Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    you have to give him credit for ruiz though its a huge feat winning a belt at heavyweight
     
  12. superconan

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    Rematch with Toney is easy. Winner of Griffin-Toney 2 was getting Jones. Toney lost.
     
  13. KillSomething

    KillSomething Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Why?

    The belt rightly belonged to Lennox Lewis, and there were other, better heavyweight champs. He picked the weakest one who happened to hold an illegitimate title.

    The most credit he gets for that is beating a guy who weighed 33lb more than he did. And if he gets huge credit for beating a terrible fighter just because he weighed more, than Floyd and Manny should be absolutely worshipped for fighting better fighters than Ruiz who have 15-20lb on them while weighing 150 (a bigger disadvantage than a 193lb guy giving up 33lb). I don't remember caring when Manny beat Margarito who had 17lb on him. Because Margarito was useless by then.

    -Ruiz held a paper belt that didn't matter (he didn't win it from Lennox).
    -Ruiz was a terrible fighter.
    -There were MUCH better options.
    -Spinks beat Holmes (22lb disadvantage), Fitzsimmons beat Corbett (17lb), Charles beat Louis (34lb), and tons of other LHW (and lighter) guys have won versions of the heavyweight title, usually against much better fighters than Ruiz. And that's not to mention the guys who tried and failed (because they actually fought quality heavyweights).
     
  14. Jake LaMotta

    Jake LaMotta Lights Out Full Member

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    This is one of the saddest things I have ever come across.
     
  15. jim jim

    jim jim Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    but its not like floyd chooses to fight at 147 for any reason other its the lowest he can go, he also rarely looks any smaller than his opponent. Roy Jones fighting at heavy didnt look right its a massive gap in weight and size people move up them light weight often enough the jump to heavy from middle is more rare , yeah them other fights would have been better but its still a big risk for roy