Heavyweight top ten looking something like this now?

Lol, no. I said "above".

I was exaggerating, a bit, with it being only "slightly".

But seriously, Wilder & Fury? Ick. They really are jokes.


I find the arrogance of both, thinking it as easy as just waltzing in with their size and with the slim pickings of the division, that just like that, getting to climb up on the podium with the Fraziers and the Louises and the Marcianos and whatnot, is lain out for them on a red carpet, without either having to buckle down and really pay their dues and embrace the craft by coming in shape and learning the fundamentals (more the former applying to Fury and more the latter to Wilder) - it just comes across to me a total affront. It just about has me ready to retch.

 

Wilder and Fury both beat Povetkin imo. Really don't get the hype with Povetkin.

 

:blood

Might want to shut this account down and restart with a more appropriate username.

 

Ha! :yep

I can see Klompy doing celebratory backflips already.

 

Er. We've hit an impasse then, because I think 200lb-class-experimenting Kap'n Caveman has the shellacking of both of 'em.

(and I really don't care much for Huck, even)

 

How can we be so sure Povetkin beats these guys? :huh Povetkin needed a gift to beat Huck, a guy Cunningham knocked out. That alone shows me Povetkin isn't on some different level to the rest of these contenders at all.

 

And Huck outdid himself, tbf. It was a combination deal. Povetkin as bad as he looked anytime since Chambers (1st half), and Huck going above/beyond his usual.

 

All im saying is with no certainty can you pick Povetkin over Wilder and Fury. These are big guys with power and decent skills. I can see both guys jabs alone giving Pov a lot to think about.

 

They have power, yes. As for skill? Both more than a club fighter, sure, but on the world class plane? You put either of them in the same breath as Alexander Povetkin? Gold medalist at both the Olympics and the amateur world championships (125-7 altogether, facing the best in the world consistently)? Lost, barring against WK, maybe half a dozen rounds in his pro career? Most of those in a lackluster start against prime unbeaten Eddie Chambers?

 

Yes, styles make fights.

I'd pick Frazier over a number of today's guys.

The division is weak.

Are you telling me Frazier wouldn't have gone through Chisora, Arreola, Stiverne, and Pulev etc?

I'm not talking about if he was around today.

I'm saying take him out of the Ali fights for example and put him with today's top 20.

How many of the today's top 20 would beat the absolute sh*t out of him?

Just go and look at the top 20.

Then ask who would have hammered Spinks and Norton as well.

 

Frazier would lose against half of these mediocre guys. Too weak, too small. Different era, he doesn't compare well to the modern day fighters.