How did you score Hagler-Duran?

Hagler won it, but never once even rocked Duran. Every time Roberto let his right hand go it seemed to land too. Duran won 5 or 6 rounds for me.

The fight was a clear indication of just how much better Duran was pound for pound than Hagler. Every physical advantage imaginable only led to a competitive UD for Hagler. Of the 'Fabulous Four' Hagler was a definite fourth place.

 

Last couple of times I watched it I had the score as 9 - 5 - 1 in rounds to Hagler.

 

Hagler clearly won the fight, wasn't even close:deal, no surprise Duran gave Hagler a tough fight, hell he beat Leonard just 3 years earlier...

At least Duran showed some durability in his fight against Hagler, unlike Hearns who was carried back to his corner like a rag doll, after getting his cranium cracked by Hagler:yep, you would never see Hagler get Kod like that..:-(

 

How do folks figure generalship played out in this one, since generalship is supposed to be a key scoring criteria? (Ali controlling the movement in the ring as Bob Sheridan noted during his live ringside call in Kinshasa is an example of this.)

 

That does qualify as generalship in my view, depending on how successful the bluffing is at bottling up Hagler's confidence and willingness to fight his fight his way. When successful, yes, "smoke and mirrors" deception can indeed qualify as generalship in a military context, and what is boxing if not a form of warfare?

 

Marcos Geraldo is very disturbing to me in that respect, the way the Mexican did what he wanted to in the early stages, nonchalantly circling the way he wanted to, and planting a quizzical furrow on Marv's brow as he continually switched stances while Gil Clancy pinpointed that as a tip off to how confused Hagler was. (Later, that furrow disappeared as Marv found his confidence while Geraldo wound down.)

I'd like for some posters here to watch Hagler-Geraldo, with the sound OFF, then score it off the silenced footage before re-scoring it again with audio added. (Many believe Marcos actually won it by building up what should have been an insurmountable early lead, but that the decision was predetermined for the star of that show.)

Antuofermo I also has to supply some pause for concern. How does Marv do against him on neutral turf in their rematch without that butt induced stoppage for Hagler. Vito had much the bigger gas tank and a significant physical strength advantage, while Marv was obviously the better boxer and straighter puncher with faster and harder strikes.

High pressure situations were not a particular strength for Marv, except the atypical opening round body attack swarm against Hearns, followed by the imminent cut induced urgency forcing Hagler to conclude matters ASAP.

Cut induced stoppages against Minter, Hamsho I and Antuofermo are critical to his legacy, because all three were sheer hell when they ended a match unmarked (and Mustafa was no bleeder except in Hagler I, Alydar to Hagler's Affirmed during Marv's reign).

 

The fight is more memorial for the tentative way Marvin fought .. Duran never came close to hurting him and really didn't do that much .. Marvin's biggest weakness by far was mental .. he doubted himself .. he doubted his stamina .. he almost punched himself out against Obel in the first fight ... he fought tentatively against Vito the first time .. he boxed orthodox against Leonard for the first few rounds .. Marvin was not a confident fighter at times and it effected his performance .. the only time he excelled in a huge fight was against Tommy where he went ***** to the wall out of the gate ..

 

Anubis and ribtickler, pleasure to read points of view on Hagler that don't entirely consist of ''Hagler was Superman, nobody could have ever lived with him at 160''.

Hagler was a great fighter, but not the unbeatable 160 pound machine he's so often portrayed as.

 

What was also interesting about that fight was apparently, SRL was at the fight and afterwards Duran told him that he could outbox Hagler.

 

I saw it as a close fight.8 rounds to 7 for Hagler.Duran did make Hagler miss a lot.

Hagler recently said Duran was the best fighter he ever fought.

 

I met Marv when he was champion, represented by a law firm my sister was a secretary for in Boston at the time, we both liked him a great deal, and he made it a point to remember my sister's name whenever he popped into that office afterwards. But looking like Superman doesn't mean being Superman. The chin was incredible, and he certainly had the hardest southpaw jab of all time, a right jab which in fact was Liston's left jab in mythology.

But I don't have illusions about him. Duran said all his power was concentrated in his right, that "the left is dead." He was taking great gulps of oxygen at the end of Obelmejias II, and nobody disputed that Antuofermo, NOT Hagler, was the best conditioned MW in the world at that time. A cut and punch resistant ATG attrition oriented natural MW would have been a nightmare for him.