Explain the Ducking History of Great Fighters Part I: Roy Jones

What, Sam Langford, another All-time great born in the 1800's?

I love the company you put Roy with. All time greats from the Civil War era.

Great stuff, Killer!

 

KillSomething,

Of course Roy deserves more credit for beating Ruiz, than another HW did. He was a 5'10, 34 year old LHW, who was outweighed by over 30 pounds.

What had Wlad done back then? The WBA was held in higher regard than Sanders's WBO belt.

Roy wanted huge money to remain at HW, because he was a LHW who was approaching 35.

No. Was he any better than the best guys that Roy fought, and the best guys who he tried to fight?

Would Roch really have been a nightmare for Roy?

Really?

You're exaggerating his abilities.

What, you're telling me that Roy at his peak, couldn't have beaten Glen Johnson?

Ha!

Roy would have picked him of with ease in his 20's.

Roy was extremely vulnerable after the crushing defeat to Tarver, and Glen to his credit, took full advantage.

Roy burnt muscle fast, and Mackie says it can effect the immune system.

When Tarver knocked Roy out, Buddy McGirt had already mentioned that Roy was slipping. He was starting to get hit more, as his reflexes had slowed. He was 35, and had fought over 50 times.

Tarver crushed his aura of invincibility and his ego.

If you look into it, it seems obvious that Roy took the fight with Glen, to eradicate the loss to Tarver. Apparently, Roy hardly trained, and just went through the motions in camp.

He was obviously not mentally or physically at 100%.

Nobody hailed Glen as an ATG afterwards. He went on to lose to Clinton Woods.

Go and find me one other person (not a troll) who thinks that Glen would have beaten Roy at his peak.

This is why nobody can debate with you.

So you're now trying to tell me, that when Roy took Greg Fritz to Atlanta to ask Thomas and Evander about a fight, that he wasn't really serious?

You'll never be satisfied.

Of course you're going to say that you don't think Roy wouldn't have gone through with it.

I wouldn't expect anything less.

Why would I post the other links, when you don't believe what happened with Liles?

If a live interview on HBO, and direct quotes from his own manager isn't going to convince you, then why would I waste any more time?

So Evander was an easier fight than a faded Nunn?

This is why I've got no respect for you as a poster.

You've given me reasons why Collins didn't want Joe, why Joe didn't want Froch, and why Froch doesn't want Degale.

Yet when I give you reasons why Roy didn't take certain fights, I'm making EXCUSES and he was a DUCKER.

You are a terrible poster.

You want me to read your reasons, yet you have no intentions of reading mine?

Roy was no different to Froch, Collins and Joe.

Each fighter has a different set of circumstances surrounding them.

You want me to look from their perspectives, yet you'll refuse point blank to look from Roy's.

atsch


How many more times?

Roy COULD NOT fight Benn or Liles to unify! How hard is that to comprehend!?

So he went to LHW. The McCallum fight was a gateway to other fights at the weight.

Roy didn't duck Collins and his WBO belt.

He moved up to a stronger division.

What had Collins done anyway? He'd beaten Eubank, and a badly faded Benn who'd come out of retirement.

I've listed them, because we have EVIDENCE that shows efforts were made to try and secure those fights.

Which proves that he didn't duck Roch, Collins and Nunn etc, out of a fear of losing to them.

Do you understand?

If Roy had really feared the likes of Roch and Collins, he'd never have tried to fight the likes of Evander and Liles.

It would have been illogical.

A guy who was scared of fighting Collins in 1996, would not have tried to have fought Evander in 1998.

Do you realise how ridiculous that is?

Again, did Roy not fight better fighters than Collins, Roch and Nunn?

We know that he did.

He didn't fight him purely for the money. Stop being so biased.

FFS! Give him some credit!

He genuinely thought he could beat Joe, and move back into the PPV rankings. Go back and listen to all of his old interviews. He wasn't just there for the cheque.

Nobody made him fight Joe.

But it doesn't suit your agenda does it?

A guy who was scared to fight Roch (who'd lost to Maske, Dariusz and Eubank) at 29, would not have gone on to fight Joe at almost 40.

A guy who trod the path of least resistance would not have done that.

He could have carried on fighting the Amaju's and Hanshaw's of the world.

But he didn't. He wanted to fight the best guys.

He also went on to fight Hopkins again, after Green.

Now look at it like this:

Collins: Roy was at his peak at 27 years old. Apart from an iron will, Collins presented no stylistic threat to Roy.

Ruiz: Roy was 34, and he'd fought 50 times. He was fighting a guy who outweighed him by over 30 pounds, who had the power to knock him out cold if he landed.

The Ruiz fight was obviously a bigger challenge.

You have no knowledge regarding the weight loss. Which was evident on the other thread. I sent you various links, and all you could muster up as a response, was 'fair enough'

You don't know that Tarver would have beaten him at any point in his career. Roy beat Tarver in their first fight, even though he was absolutely exhausted, and was running on fumes for the last three rounds. So there's no reason why he couldn't also have beaten him earlier in his career.

No, Roy did NOT have to fight Tarver.

Again, Glen would never have been a bad match up for a peak version of Roy.

The WBC wasn't going to let Roy bankrupt them twice?

Ha!

So it was Roy's fault they went bankrupt, and not their own incompetence?

 

Wait wait Collins beat the others Wasn't he smoked by Reggie Johnson who later Jones schooled ?

 

Point is the winner of that fight was to fight Jones you need to GTFO with all this Collins will do this and that when he couldn't even get past Reggie !

 

why did julian jackson duck collins, eubank, benn and roy?

 

Had he beaten Johnson he would,have had a first crack at Roy thats what im saying ..He was even offered the fight had he fought Joe Calzaghe on a RJJ under card but that never happened ..Either way when the oppurtunity presented himself he fell short ..But you say he beat Jones and this is a guy Roy ducked

 

How long was Jones at Smw he had already moved up in weight because both Steve and Liles turned him down. What was he supposed to do or do you conveniently miss that sticking point ?


And and here is a quote from Dibella



HBO chief, Lou Dibella, last night insisted there had been no contact between himself and either the Collins or Jones camp on the possibility of a fight.
Dibella, who as chief of the network to which Jones is contracted, would have to okay such a deal, said in a telephone conference: "There would be little or no interest in Collins v Jones in America. Collins has not fought in a year and a half and although he was a very good champion there would not be a great deal of interest in him in America at the moment. If he wants to fight someone else before Roy Jones then interest may pick up.
"I would like to see Collins fight Joe Calzaghe, who holds Collins' former super middleweight crown. Calzaghe is an exciting fighter, whom we have earmarked to fight Roy Jones at some stage. At the moment Reggie Johnson, the IBF light heavyweight champion, is the one who I feel most deserves a shot at Jones. However, if Collins was to fight Calazaghe possibly on a Jones undercard, then the winner could meet Jones


This was another oppurtunity for Collins to get a crack at Roy ..Had he been able to beat Joe or Reggie he would have gotten his shot he did neither and retired due to injury but you want to talk about facts when all you do is pass on YOUR OPINION AS facts as opposed to what actually happen !

 

HBO offered Benn and Collins 3 mil to fight Roy this offer came from HBO there was also an offer of 2 mil to fight Liles both offers were rejected by Collins and Liles flat out ..Collins was reported to have asked for 7 mil which he was never going to get ! So Roy moves up but I know he ducked Collins right ,so then Collins challenges him at LHW after the Frizer fight .,Dibella as you read said there be little interest since Collins hadn't fought in over a year .He had to have a signifigant win so they set up the Cazaghe fight with the the promise of a crack at Roy if he beats Joe ..Collins collapses during sparring then is forced into retirement. But we all know this was Jones fault right


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G0Erh4RKbHE

Here is the vid of Collins in the ring with Roy after he beat Fraizer at LHW !



It's obvious who the clown is around here !


:hi:

 

collins was after roy jones after he retired aswell he even wanted to fight him recently , i think roy said something along the lines of it wasnt the best buisness deision for him to fight collins