Larry Holmes: Klitschko has no jab, no heart and would be beaten by Wilder or Stivern

Norton is not an ATG.

Holmes beat Ali, Marciano beat Louis, Patterson beat Moore. But we are talking about Ali's corpse, we are talking about a shot Louis and an old Moore. Holmes has several wins better than that one over Ali.

Overall, Wlad's reign and opposition has been better than Holmes'. And, as someone said, Wlad has beaten many of his opponents in ways Holmes would dream of.

 

Holmes was beaten by a light heavyweight. Vlad would have knocked him out. Holmes had a jab, but it did not have the power that Vlad's has, nor did Holmes have a right hand like Vlad, nor a left hook, nor hook off the jab. Holmes also claims that Marciano was no good, was not worthy of carrying his jock strap, not to mention all the other **** he has said. I have no use for Holmes. Tyson also took care of Holmes. Snipes was very crude and almost knocked Holmes out.

 

Holmes had some atrocious title defenses many on here posting in this thread were not even alive and don't know how bad they were. He fought a cracked out Leon Spinks in a over half empty Joe Louis arena and the reason King kept shorting Holmes on his purses was because he was losing money promoting Larry's fights. Nobody wanted to pay to see him.

Why do you think King dug up Ali in 1980? He had to do that to make money. Why do you think he sold Gerry ****ey as a legit threat? It was all about recouping money he lost on Holmes and his awful defenses.

Now Wlad has had some bad ones also but Holmes had equally as bad. For some reason Holmes gets a pass from people on here and Wlad is criticized. They basically have the same resume lol.

Anyone can make comments about this but if you weren't there at the time and didn't read the articles in the magazines that said how 'boring' and 'stale' people thought Holmes was you can literally replace their names in the articles and 1982 becomes 2015.

People were tired of Holmes. A lot of Boxing people wanted Gerry to KO him in 1982 not because they were racist they were sick of seeing Holmes go 11 or 12 rounds with some guy in a non interesting fight. Gerry failed but Tyson came along 3 years later and gave the fans and Boxing writers what they were looking for. Excitement.

 

I disagree. Wlad's reign is much better, imo.

Ocassio (13-0), Spinks (10-2), Witherspoon (15-0), Frank (20-0), Smith (14-1), Bey (14-0), Williams (16-0). Add that version of Ali, Randall Tex Cobb, Scott LeDoux = 10 terrible fights (more than 50% of Holmes title defenses). I'm not even counting Marvis Frazier because that was non sanctioned.

Wlad's reign has been MUCH better. He unified. His opponents were more experienced. And he destroyed most of them. Larry struggled against several challengers.

 

No, you don't understand what happened in that fight at all and that's why your picks turn out wrong again and again and again. The reason why Wlad used leaping left hooks is because Pulev left openings for it because of the way his sole focus was on roughing Wlad up and stopping the jab. And a leaping left hook is a great punch in boxing - it's not the same as a superman punch in mma.

 

I never said he threw a superman punch. I said he lunged in like Superman. You can't you understand the difference. I posted a picture to prove this. You can clearly see Wlad doing it many times in the fight.
You don't even know what you're arguing with me about.

Pulev was a sucker for the left hook. That is what I said initially . You came back to tell me i was wrong by telling me something i had already saidatsch
Please don't annoy me with stupidity any further.

 

Yet you mouthed off for over a year that he WAS great and was going JTFO Wlad. Log off kid, go learn the difference between a forward slash and a comma.

 

The 80's was not known as the 'Leonard Era' , he never dominated for 10 years, yet he is p4p one of the greatest of all time.

Wlad will never crack any p4p top 100 list.

Norton is an ATG because of skill, talent, opposition beat and performance.

Wlad managed to stay on top for 10 years , but has looked dreadful doing it.
His reign won't matter because he left nothing to be remembered.

 

lol.

Wlad was blown away by Brewster but you have him as a better 'win' than Mike Weaver:nut

 

You want to say something ?

Wlad cant be compared to anyone else. Wlad barely lose a round in his 10 years domination reign. How many guys can do that?
Sam Peter was so strong, durable and hit hard as hell, so he will probably beat a lot of past guys. They just wont stand to his power and weight, and they just could not hurt him. And Peter is 1,88 with a reach of 1,96 he is tall enough and have enough reach to catch most of past guys, and when catch them, they will be floored.

And its rly fun how the guy find and all type of excuses for Tyson lose, he was prime in his previous fight, but when he was otboxed nad was KTFO he just wasnt in his prime. Muhahahahhahaha, go find better excuses.
And why Klitschko not rematch Sanders and Purrity, he want to but Sanders drop the title from Wlad and decide to go fight his brother instead. Then he was old, down in ratings and retired. Klitschko cant fight him.
And Purrity team reject a rematch - http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/pr217002.htm
No matter how old you are, you dont have excuse for that.
If you dont have clause, you cant get rematch if the other fighter not want it.

Its fun how someone think Wladimir can be beaten, cause simply this man was never been outboxed by anyone. He beat all different fighter and styles. And with Manny teaching he cant be floored, its simple as that.
Yeah Klitschko have 3 loses, but this loses make him stronger, he was great before Manny, but he have weaknesses and simply wasnt working on them. His tactic in some matches wasnt great, his defence was weak and didnt use his reach and height, how he doing it now. He measure the distance now like no one. He control it like no one. His footwork become better and he is stronger then he was.
You like it or not Manny makes him just unbeatable. IN H2H there is only few guys that could possible beat him.
Lewis and Vitali is two of them.
And Dinobot i was answered all of your question in my previous post, but you Bot didnt answer me, because i prove you wrong in everything you say.
Dinobot - Weaver have 18 loses, not to mention his KO %, that is nowhere near at Brewster ... OFC Brewster is better.

 

Wlas is top 10 ATG now, all will remember his reign, and Wlad soon will be top 3 ATG, when he beat all records that are left, and when he unify, and then what you gonna do ? Commit a suicide?

 

Top 3:rofl

You think Wlad is an underrated inside fighter. What you say is meaningless.

 

The only Meaningless thing in this forum is you.
But still is fun to embarrass you.
Klitschko is that good, that he simply not need to work on the inside. And still he Ko some guys exactly in the inside. Watch Peter 2 round 10, watch Povetkin round 7, hooks, uppercuts and guys was going down, McCline was KD inside as well.
He have inside fighting, but he not allow other guy to fight on the inside, that is insane. And he barely need to fight on the inside, why he need to do it?
And you know what, all you can do is cry about it, cry about clinches, fauls, cheating, pay the referee and mouling, *****ing and crying.

 

Pay attention. This is the Brewster he rematched during one of his title defenses.

 

If Wlad wins his next 4 fights he will be Top 3.