Rid**** Bowe v Max Baer

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  1. The Long Count

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    Bowe on his best night could beat anybody. That is said so often it's a shame that he never tried to prove it, as his list of missed fighters in a good era is endless. Lewis, Tyson, Foreman, Holmes, Tucker, Ruddock, Mercer, Morrison, Bruno, McCall, etc.
    I guess blowing out Old crackhead Dokes and Ferguson proves that he could.
     
  2. dinovelvet

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    The Larry Donald Bowe beat would have beaten Foreman II , 90's Tucker, 90's Holmes, MaCall and maybe Mercer.

    I don't know why that guy wasn't in the mix more. He was the first to beat Valeuv but got robbed, while he himself was way past prime and at the end of his career.
     
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  3. dinovelvet

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    That was his punch. He looped it fast enough to work for him. Lewis would not have avoided that shot , never mind Maxy Bear.
     
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  4. janitor

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    No sane person would have picked Baer over Schmeling, if the fight hadn't actually happened!
     
  5. dinovelvet

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    Bowe would give Schmeling a good walloping as well.
     
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    I am unconvinced!
     
  7. Seamus

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    Every trainer I have spoken to remarks about that being a very obviously flaw in his game, that it was amazing through all his amateur and pro success he never learned to throw an educated right.

    Lewis would have creamed Bowe. He had a much better head for the game and prepared far better than Bowe.
     
  8. dinovelvet

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    Maybe he preferred to throw it like that. You don't think Futch was able to correct this if it was such a glaring flaw. He got great length and speed throwing it like that.
    There's nothing with with throwing an unorthodox punch.

    Lewis would have got creamed by Bowe any time till around 97 when Bowe began losing it.

    Lewis had even more holes in his game back than Bowe did.

    Terrible footwork. Swung wildly. Got himself stretched out by MaCall in just two round.
    Same MaCall who struggled with a 1995 version of Larry Holmes over 12 rounds.
    Looked sloppy and uncoordinated against shot Tucker and Lionel Butler.
    A fight where Foreman said this about him

    'The guy doesn't know how to jab. That's all there is to it'

    Lewis had every right to hide behind the WBC and wait out the deadline. He would have been schooled by Bowe who was levels above him at the time.
     
  9. janitor

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    Here is the issue with Bowe.

    It is not entirely clear whether he was this head to head phenom, or merely somebody who had the right style to beat Evander Holyfield.

    I am also left with the feeling that he is neither fish nor fowl.

    He has all the physical tools, but they are not put together very logically.
     
  10. The Long Count

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    I agree with this, although I am more harsh on Bowe than many other ppl here. He missed a ton of fighters in the 90s. He also struggled with Tubbs, should of been Dq'd vs Mathis and got the stuffing kicked out of him by Golota. Bowe was dirty and undisciplined too.
    I will say he looked the part. He had tools, was fluid, and he had tremendous in fighting ability. I just don't believe he was as good as he looked. At least he never proved it outside of Holyfield. I certaintly believed in 90s that he was better than Lewis but Lewis ended up with the far greater legacy.
     
  11. dinovelvet

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    Look how Lennox at his best was timid and did everything he could not to engage with Holyfield at his worst.

    Look at how Holy had blasted Douglas out of the atmosphere before Bowe took him apart.

    Its clear to me Bowe had better tools than Lewis.
     
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  13. dinovelvet

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    Yeah , but at the expense of looking good.
    Bowe looked better against the best version of Holy

    And poor Holyfield wasn't even given a body to target. Lewis may as well of been wearing a full body protector.
     
  14. Ken Ashcroft

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    I don't think Bowe could be said to be in his prime against Golata.
     
  15. Ken Ashcroft

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    I glad that I wasn't the only one that noticed that on the night. It was ridiculous just how high it was. When he was sitting down between rounds, it was literally up to his chest. Why the hell didn't Holyfield's team object to it before or even during the fight?