Jeffries got what he deserved ...

Actually, it looks like you're the one who is "crying a river", getting all upset about one long-dead guy's anti-social behaviour.

Still you are 100% wrong, because it's largely accepted that a citizen's RIGHTS are linked to their RESPONSIBILITIES in any society.
If a persons rights are constantly denied them they can't be expected to have to meet the same responisbilities to that society.
Basic political philosophy.

The gist of what you are saying is that "Blacks have rights because us whites were kind enough to bestow them rights".

No, I don't think every white person was walking around with a noose waiting to lynch a black person. But some were. And there were not many people walking around trying to stop the lynch mobs, or bring them to justice. They were considered the "good" citizens in many cases, albeit perhaps too keen and excitable.

Just about every riot, lynching and massacre back then was blamed on the blacks by the white press anyway, and we both know what side you would have taken there too. :good

 

'life for black people in the lower states during johnsons life was not so good', 'johnson was an arrogant bully with sociopathic tendencies', i'd say both were equally true.

whether the former created the latter is a matter of opinion.

 

atsch

Yeah, like the reports in the newspapers weren't completely and automatically biased and skewed with an anti-negro agenda.
Or would you say it was all accurate, "Fair and balanced" ?

Some of the most atrocious killings and massacres of blacks (including women and children) in American history were originally reported as the result of black aggression. Is that the way it really went down then, because the newspapers say so ?

 

To parapharase the end of Hemingway's," The Sun Also Rises". "Isn't it pretty to think to so?"

 

I object enough to say better to let it die a natural death.

 

... but I wouldn't say I'm "keen".

 

Before we go can i complain that KuRuPT called me a stupid head and it really hurt my feelings.

 

Agreed.

There are basically two positions on Jeffries.

You either think that he was an ******* who got what he deserved, or you think he made some poor choices, but your respect for him overrides any desire to see him humiliated.

In Johnson's case, no two opinions seem to be the same!

 

K, you told it as it was. Not as some bleeding hearts WANT the facts to BE...:good:good:good

 

objection, your honour

 

I also object. I find this thread fascinating. It's wonderful how the sport of boxing can funnel an entire era of societal views through the embodiment of one man.
One hundred plus years after his most divisive victory historians and fans still debate not so much the accomplishment of his victory but the merits of the man himself.