2-Klitschko brothers- in every decade

Yeah good old VITLAI!
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They would undoubtedly be contenders in any era but not dominate many if any of them .Those you named beat them imo.

 

In the past you have pointed out when certain fighters were too light. But your double standards prevent you from mentioning such information this time.

The size and weight disparity combined wit would make the Klitschko’s several weight classes above most champions’ pre 1960. Then add in the fact there were few who jabbed better or hit harder. To suggest they would not dominate many if any decade is delusional.

 

I think they would dominate quite a few eras, especially pre-1960. Had the two of them been around between 1950-1960 I couldn't see either of them losing to the champions of that time frame, ie. Walcott, Marciano, Patterson, Johannson, etc.. Even in the 70's they'd be tough to keep away from a title. They both are certainly capable of beating Ellis, Norton, and L. Spinks, along with most of the top contenders of that period. I have actually picked Vitali Klitschko to beat a 70's George Foreman in fantasy fights before.

 

Vitali is not an alltime banger and his jab is just fair, Wlad's has deteriorated appreciably and he has never had an inside game .
Outside of Germany he would never be allowed to lay all-over his opponents.
Wlad would not dominate the stronger eras because he is chinny. Their opposition leaves a lot to be desired,they have benefited from ruling during a poor era.
The other question is would things be on a level playing field regarding PED's?
I don't say either were on them but many do.
Which fighters did I say were "too light?"

 

I agree, they would dominate quite a few eras pre 1960. No one, not even Ali is a safe pick vs either Klitschko over the course of a decade.

 

Vitali can hit period. Vitali fought two men who fought Tyson. Francis said Vitali hit harder than Tyson. Danny Williams said . Tyson by a shade, but Vitlai was more consistent with his power.

As he aged Vitali lost some power due to injures to his shoulder and back.

His jab is a bit more than just " Fair ". No one out jabbed him. Vitali was a master of timing and distance, and could the punch at odd angles.

Who cares about Wlad's inside game? Ali had none either. Wlad has deteriorated appreciably you say? No way. Did you see his last fight. The power and speed were nearly good as they were 10 years ago.

As for the PED's, try this hat on for size. No one comes close to out boxing the Kltischko's, and any ATG would pretty much be in the same boat.

If you take away the PED's from their opponents, you lessen their puncher's chance, which is the best way to beat Wlad. Oh, and does Wlad and Vitali get the lighter ounce gloves too? They might kill someone.

 

They would have to get the title first, and this would mean a lot of fights, and not very much time between them.

They would not have the luxury of taking long layoffs when injured, or canceling contracted fights.

This could have been a very real issue.

 

The Klitschko brothers are a combined 108-5. Of the five losses 4 were avenged by one brother or the other. The only one not avenged is Lennox Lewis who opted to retire rather than rematch Vitali. He never faced the more athletic brother. If you combine the years of their unbeaten title streaks, Removing Vitali's 4 year semi retirement, He went unbeaten for five years till he retired and Wlad is entering his 11th. That is a 16 year unbeaten stretch.
Those are remarkable numbers.
The only way to really assail that sort of domination is to tear down their competition. However while the quality of their competition is debatable the fact that their opponents have a greater height and weight average than any previous generations means the Klitschko's physical advantages would be even more pronounced over past eras.
I think the case that they would dominate is stronger than the case they wouldn't.
During the 80s and early 90s they may not put together an invincible string of wins like they currently enjoy but they would be either at the top or near the top in every generation. And pre-mid 60s I don't even think it's close. If they got their hands on the belts and decided to play traffic cop with the opposition they would probably go on pretty strong runs. Vitali tackles the bangers and Wlad takes on the boxers. It would be impressive and even if they were not AS impressive I believe both would be hall of famers in any decade.

 

Had both men been at their pinnacle from 1980-1989, I can't see anyone in that decade beating them except MAYBE Holmes and Tyson, and I wouldn't feel comfortable putting money on either. everyone else like the Dokes's, witherspoon's, Berbick's, Smith's, Weaver's and tucker's of the world get sparked..

 

Vitali - yes ... Wlad - No.

Wlad would never be champ in any other era. His necessity to cheat and spoil would not be tolerated , making him box clean for every round thus exposing his weak chin and poor stamina.

How can nobody else not accept this? Refs were quick to pull guys when they clinched. Watch any HW fight and you will hear - no holding, punch it out, no holding

Guys have been DQ'd for far less then what Wlad committed against Povetkin

And that was basic clinching done in the past nowhere near the level of Wlads. You just need to look what happened to him against Brewster when the ref stamped out his illegal tactics.
If Brewster was able to end him in just 5 , i guess he'd be a Foreman in other era'a yeah?:roll:
Reality is Brewster was average even in this weak era.

 

It rather depends upon the era.

There have been other eras where a liberal attitude was taken to clinching.

 

I am a massive fan of the Klitschko's and believe them to be all-timers in their own right. I could over and over about their excellence, etc....

....but lets be clear about something. Vitali not only didn't avenge the Chris Byrd loss, he did little if anything to make the rematch. Before you protest, I can easily find headlines of Vitali disrespecting LennoX Lewis' desire to retire and not hand him a rematch, but next to nothing on his part, looking to avenge the Byrd loss.

No, having Wlad beat Byrd doesn't count. Vitali had unfinished business with Byrd...and he never chased it. Period.

Where Vitali's legacy is concerned, great as I believe it is...it lacks a little of Joe Louis championship pride. History holds that answer.