Catchweights- Do we need them?

no, that is a separate negotiation. Each fighter is allowed to be 147 regardless of his opponents weight(provided he is under the limit)and anything else just aint kosher

 

Well it depends on the fighter. Obviously guys should only agree to weights they can make and still be effective at.

 

WE decide everything in boxing. If we watch or attend and it makes money then it will keep happening.

 

both fighters have to agree to the catch weight though. i don't see the issue. if you don't want to be drained ......don't sign the contract. Same goes for any other part of the contract.
These guys want big paydays fighting Manny and Floyd , but then want to complain about the contracts they signed.
Can't have it both ways

 

You exactly point out one of the big problems with it. Guys like Floyd and Manny can abuse it because they being the money and don't have to defend against the mandatory if they don't want to. So they can both cherry pick and drain their opponent

 

Dont make the fight. Its not a good fight, fans dont need to see it and the A-side guy forcing the drain doesnt need false props for beating a zombie.

If you think people wouldnt bother risking weight drain your wrong, people did thats why it was changed to the way it is now. Plus being really close to fight time would endanger the fights more, basically upsetting the apple cart - and costing everyone lots and lots of money. Wont happen, shouldnt happen.

 

The moon must be blue this evening.

A Rico post I can agree with !

Anyone who even asks for a cw from straw-weight to feather-weight should be shot or hanged.

Above that, I still don't think much of them but if all parties agree, then fine.

EXCEPT, if there is a title on the line.

A boxer defending his title should NEVER be compelled to come in below the stipulated weight for that division.
And I don't care if both sides agree. (Can both sides agree to bare-knuckle ?)

Eg Cotto 'agreeing' to 145 for a welterweight title with Pac. Given how much money was at stake, he could hardly not agree.

(And for Pac, it slightly taints a title he would almost certainly have won anyway. Same thing for Floyd-Canelo).

The most egregious recent example was SRL forcing Donny LaLonde down to 168 for a bout where a 175 belt was at stake.

This, IMO, negates not just the 175 lb title for Leonard, but also the 168lb as well. I consider him a champion in three divisions, not five.

 

it depends...if its against the no.1 and no. 2 p4p why not???

i guess on special occasions where elites are involved its ok but "normal" fighters, dont bother....

 

its not the fighters that complain usually. its the fans that know they have been short changed when one fighter is half dead walking in to the ring for a bigger pay check than they have ever got

 

No we don't need them, they just introduce and give basis to even more slimy lawyer types into boxing, as the promoters wouldn't be enough.

Leads to funny situations as Mayweather possibly fighting for a MW title against Cotto with neither of them having actually fought at that weight ever.

 

They didn't have catchweights back in Armstrong's day.

And back then there were only eight weight classes.

More recently guys like Thomas Hearns never asked for catchweights.

 

Depends on the fight. Sometimes a guy isn't drained into a zombie and sometimes they are good fights which the public want to see.

I don't see how it would endanger the fights more.

The way it is now isn't any better, it encourages guys to dehydrate themselves.

 

For non-titles OK. For titles, NO!

 

I f the fighters are 1 division apart (Floyd/ Canelo) then it is ridiculous. If they are in the same division (Pac/ Cotto) it a damn joke.

Cw are for 2 and 3 division differences.