Larry Holmes: Klitschko has no jab, no heart and would be beaten by Wilder or Stivern

If he couldn't handle a club southy like Wells (twice) how is going to last verses a beast like Sanders, especially if still early in his career like Wlad was? He'd get stopped just as quick imo.

And when Puurity stopped Wlad late. Wlad was the same age as Holmes was when he took those two self confessed blow outs from Wells. I mean Wlad haters, you can't have your cake and eat it. And bull**** an amateur record does not count. The same haters who say it doesn't were posting endlessly about Pele Reid's kick a while back. Again, cake and eat it, K trolls.

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sanders is a beast lol he was big and packed a punch but he was never elite.

 

He wasn't elite, but he'd mess your day right up if you struggled with southpaws. Most heavyweight champs historically have no experience against them and hated fighting them. It's a big reason why Sanders could upset heavyweights more accomplished than he was.

Holyfield and Wlad are about the only heavyweight champs that actively fought good lefties. Not surprisingly, each lost to one. Even up through the 2000's guys like Tyson, Bowe, and Lennox never fought them (Bowe fought a weaker one on the way up, I believe). Povetkin shows a willingness, but Byrd and Chagaev were past their best.

There's a good reason it's still tough, even today, for good lefties to get a fair shake. Tony Thompson deserved a break and better opponents than he got most of his career before Wlad gave him a shot, for example.

 

You don't have to elite to be a beast in the ring. Just a dangerous big puncher, the fact he was southpaw adds to the mix. I never said he was elite, elite is a handful of guys and even they can be stopped.

 

If you think its better to lose in your early or mid 30s then you are simply mad and dont know what are you talking about.
If you lose at your 20 or mid 20, you have a plenty of room to improve and see where is your weaknesses and improve them. Just what Wladimir Klitschko do.
And again you are finding all type of idiotic excuses about Tyson and Holmes loses. They wasnt prime when they lose, but before that they was pretty prime. This not only look, but its clear excuses.
You can use it as long as you want, but wont help your case.
I can simply say with ease that Klitschko was not 100% mentaly and physically rdy in his 3-rd loses, hows that looks like an idiotic excuse. If he is not ready then its his fault and no one should care about that. Win, lose, lose in past prime or in prime, not matter, simply cause they stay in the record. Nobody is forcing them to fight, get it?
Also you probably need glass, cause Klitschko was never knocked out. He was TKO. And in 2 of his defeat he run out of gas.
It was very bad management, Purrity was his ninth fight for 1 year, he simply collapse. Why didnt you say about that?
How exactly Klitschko was rdy for Sanders, when Corrie was replacement of replacement of the replacement ?
We are talking about excuses? Its easy to say that Brewster one was strange as hell. Probably drugged. No one collapse like that for 1 min, and looks like that after the match ... Is that excuses good?

Your talking about prime, but you never say Klitschko was not prime in any of hiss loses. He was complete boxer from 2007, when he master the style, he learn from Manny.
He was pretty good back there, but hes defence was weak, also he was not using his reach and height, like he doing it now, and he was panic when get hit.
Everyone have their oppinion and judging system for ATG legends, i have mine.
Yeah prime is imporantat criteria, but you can always excuse 1 fighter he was not in prime when he loss. In my mind you are out of prime, when you start decling du to age. Then you got to stop. If you lose in your prime for other reason its your fault. As well as boxing when you are done.

 

Bunch of ****ing ignorants.

It is easy to look unbeteable when you fight No Hopers Lepais, Pulevs and Wachs of the World.

When you fight ATG Ken Norton, young Tim Witherspoon, best puncher of all times Shavers, huge puncher Gerrey, best light heavy of all times Michael Spinks, you know who the **** you are.

 

This thread is a new low even for ESB Forum Standards.

Saying Wlad was faster than Larry. Saying Wlad has more heart than Larry. That is load of ****.

When you want to know something of heart, go watch round 15 of Holmes-Norton or Round 9 of Holmes - Witherspoon.

Go watch Shavers - Holmes I. Wlad looks like a ****ing robot in comparison.

 

Reading here Wlad here, Wlad that. ...It is ****ing ridiculous.

I guarantee you if Larry fought those bums, he would not have 3 losses on his record. :smoke

 

ATG Ken Norton? How is Norton an ATG? What era did he dominate? :rofl:rofl

Fact is Holmes went life and death with Norton who today in the 2010 era wouldn't even hold a belt. That's all you need to know.

 

He probably wont be HW. Some people just dont know what they are talking and they are probably not step in to the boxing gym. They didnt realize how much the game is change and how much difference 20-30 pounds are.

 

Norton beat the greatest of all times and would not have a belt? :roll: What are you all smoking due

Life and death???That was one of the greated HW fights ever. The fight of the year 1978.

 

loudons not a wlad hater at all, he calls wlad anatg all the time.

paranoid much? why?

 

so much that a fat and overweight Foreman comes back from the 70s to beat them modern day heavweights.

so much that Hopkins beats them modern day middleweights up at 50 years ago.

so much that a fact and overweight middlweight James Toney would hang\ around with them heavweights.

I could go on and on ...

your posts are an insult for the purists, the real boxing fans.

 

Wlad knocks out the Ali Norton faced.

And Norton.

And Frazier.

And he'd kick your puppy right into the microwave, too.

 

naaa, you'd wake up before that.