Larry Holmes: Klitschko has no jab, no heart and would be beaten by Wilder or Stivern

I respect your opinion.

But I don't think he would have done.

 

no, that point was NEVER made by Blade.

His point was that older boxers from previous eras are able to remain competitive at previously unprecedented ages.

 

His points was about past guy that could be okay in todays era. And probably that today era is weak, just what he say 1000 times. Cause i was talking about past guys and their weight and how today fighters are more heavy.
And you are coming like to write how old they are, that was **** as hell.
Next time let the 2 guys that have conversation to finish it.

 

What are you talking about?

Again, Wlad was almost 27, and he'd fought 41 times as a pro, before fighting Sanders.

Yet You're saying that Holmes would have lost to Sanders in the same manner, because he struggled with a southpaw, BEFORE he turned pro?

You're being ridiculous.

Btw, I'm not a hater. You sound like a child. I'm having an objective debate here.

Just because I have an opinion that you don't agree with, it doesn't mean that I'm a biased hater.

 

He could possibly have held a belt, depending on the circumstances.

Stiverne recently held the WBC.

Who'd he fought?

 

Weight alone isn't that important.

You keep mentioning how the game's changed.

Why?

Today's HW's are no better than the HW's of 30 years ago.

 

Vitali held the WBC belt in 2010 era. Glass chin Norton would have been destroyed inside 2 even by old and faded Vitali.

 

I cant totally disagree. You have your opinion, but i cant agree. My is totally different. Weight is always imporant, and we are not talking about some fat rats.

 

lordlosh,

What are you talking about?

Yes, if you lose early in your career, you have the time to come back. But I'm looking from an historical perspective. It's a lot more harmful to your legacy, if you lose during your 20's, than if you lose in your 30's, especially if you're past your best.

You're looking from Wlad's perspective, whereas I'm looking from the perspective of ranking him after he's retired.

Tyson losing to Douglas hurts his legacy.

But losing to Danny Williams has no bearing.

It hurts Wlad's legacy that he lost three times in his 20's, to fighters who weren't great.

How can argue against that?

Wlad was almost 27 when he lost to Sanders, and he was 28 to Brewster. He wasn't a young pup starting out. He'd fought over 40 times.

I'm not making excuses.

The only issue I had regarding Mike, was that someone said that Mike couldn't have beaten Wlad, because he couldn't beat Douglas. Which isn't been objective, because Mike wasn't at his best that night.

If you want to say that Wlad wasn't at his best for all his losses, that's fine. Because I would never discuss a fantasy fight between Mike at his best, vs the Sanders version of Wlad. I would look objectively, and discuss the possible outcomes based on both guys fighting to their full capabilities.

I'm neither arguing with you or disagreeing with you.

All I'm saying is, despite what the circumstances were, those early losses are hurtful to his legacy.

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You haven't made a reference to my two HW lists.

Do you think that today's HW's, were better than the HW's of the 80's, as a whole?


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I think that's an exaggeration.

 

Weight can be a huge advantage depending on the circumstances.

But it's not a given that being bigger means better.

 

Saw an interview with Norton and Howard Cosell where Norton said he hated punching up on a taller opponent as it was not what his style was suited for. Vitali Klitschko would be a nightmare for Norton style wise. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to watch some boxing. Not saying Norton could not have cut Vitali but that would be almost his only chance of winning. Just a bad style match up.

 

sorry haters! Both K brothers would be a handful for any HW in any era... Im not saying they win it all, but both the brothers would be a tough fight... no pushover. To say they would have "no chance against....... or........" is just ridiculous