Oh you want an answer? You cant be bothered to answer others because you are a mod but you want me to answer you? Sorry I dont play that ****. You arent any better than anyone else here so when you ignore a legitimate question about a question that you solicited and then act like nobody responded dont expect me to give you any respect and answer anything you ask me. I dont come here for you. In fact the less I see of you the better this board is and the more I see of you the less I think of you. Whatever man. If you were as big as this sentence is trying to make you out to be you wouldnt even say that because you know me well enough to know the threat or veiled threat of being banned or rebanned on a forum is absolutely meaningless to me. If anyone knows anything about me from the years Ive spent on these forums its that Im not afraid to speak my mind and I dont toadie or tow the party line. If I believe in something I stick to it regardless of whether my friends on these boards agree with me. Anyone who remembers why I got banned on this forum can tell you I did so for defending myself. Id do it again in a heartbeat and if it got me banned again I wouldnt give two ****s about it. Then you should have just deleted it because its sad that you think that series of posts went so off the rails as to be locked. I think YOU, noone else, were made a little uncomfortable by it and thats why it got locked. No other reason. Somebody better call the paramedics then because you have to be turning a sickening shade of blue by now. So youll just leave the last "last pages" of "embarrassing" posts and selectively redact the ones you have a personal problem with... And yet you left those pages for all to embarrassed by... Like I said, I think you just had a personal problem with the subject matter. Its weird to criticize a moderator who goes out of his way to ask if a thread should be closed, even though he admits that it wouldnt matter if people wanted it open, only to ignore when he meets objections and then closes the thread because it was "embarrassing" but leaves the embarrassing posts. But its weird to question that? O...K... McGrain I didnt start any drama. The only thing I find bizarre is your behavior over the past couple of days. I will remind you that it was YOU who asked if that thread should be closed (bizarre, given that you are the all powerful mod), YOU who ignored anyone who objected (bizarre given that you asked), YOU who now admit that it wouldnt have changed your mind if anyone did object (bizarre given that you asked), YOU who acted like my post about Wills-Dempsey was regarding you was out of line and then moved it (bizarre given that you had just locked another racially charged topic). Look, youve stated more than once on here you dont like me. Thats fine. I dont like you either. But dont act like people questioning you locking a thread that nobody asked to be locked and several wanted open is bizarre. There was no reason to lock that thread and even if someone was called a bigot, whether it was me, or anyone else, and whether it was correct or not, is not exactly the worst thing anybody has been called on this forum and gotten away with with you being a mod. If youve got an opinion the subject Id suggest posting it. If your knowledge on the subject is too lightweight then sit back and learn something. If you are uncomfortable with it close your laptop. If somebody asks you to delete the thread or lock it for a legitimate reason then by all means do so. I dont see any of that happening. I see the mod taking the bizarre step to jump in out of the blue and ask if a thread should be locked, ignore those that object (nobody said it should), then selectively delete some posts (which had nothing overtly offensive that I saw), and then lock it. I dont know where your from but where I come from poltically correct censorship isnt exactly considered something to cheer about, so expect to eat it when you do that.
I know, I know, it got ugly. It just seem f*cked up that after 20 or so pages of actual discussion a handful of angry posts shut the whole thing down. It's wasteful that's all.
I absolutely knew you would do this - there was really no other way. I was pretty sure you told bare-faced lies that are impossible to back up, so you either had to admit you did wrong, or pull out this tired line. Fair enough. However, I'm interested to know what it is you think I haven't answered you on? That was a pretty in depth answer, I thought? Please feel free to identify what it is I haven't answered fully, and I'll try to deal with them. Here I disagree - there are dedicated racists who return to this forum over and over again to make posts about the racial superiority of certain fighters and laugh at fighters of a different race; i'm convinced i'm better than these people. In fairness to you though, you probably don't see them as I remove them pretty quickly, most times. ok thanks. I'm not threatening you; klompton you've made a specific accusation against me, that I am dictatorial. I've rebuked this firmly not because you are stupid, but because you've said something that is flat out untrue. The point I made about your status is just another example of how hopelessly wrong you are in almost everything you say. Naturally, being you, you take it as a "veiled threat". Why do you keep saying this?! If it is deleted the good posts in the thread will not be available to read. This is the second time I have said this; if you don't want to understand or accept it, that's fine, but I think we consider the matter closed - you want me to delete the thread (rather than leave it locked, or think I should have locked it in the first place), i am going to leave it so that people can read about something that interests them if it interests them - we disagree. That's fine. Just fyi, I wasn't really expecting you to apologise But I appreciate even this indirect admission of wrong-doing Yes, as I've explained to you at great length, i try to avoid moderating where possible. I did delete a post or two from that thread, but only do so when absolutely necessary. Yes, I make a personal judgement on this issue the same as every other moderator on every other forum in the world. Again, you will have problems with moderation on every website you might visit, of one kind or another. Again, it is not reasonable to go mental like you have here when that happens. Basically, you seem to have mis-understood how internet forums work. Moderators DO NOT exclusively wait for complaints. Moderators try to avoid complaints. Again i'm repeating myself, but this is because people log off/go bananas on the internet rather than complain - they are not at a restaurant, these people. Withdrawing, or reacting with "i hope your mother gets cancer" takes seconds and has no direct consequences for their life. You are confused about how it works, and you need to take my word for that or investigate the matter for yourself (not sure how). But you are wrong about this. I'm repeating myself a lot here, but again, because you are sensitive about my leaving things you say unanswered (to the point where you won't answer questions directed at you in response! or some questions...cos you have responded at some length, haven't you?), yes, I left the maximum number of embarrassing posts to keep my intrusion to a minimum. This has been explained to you at length in the last post, I don't understand why you are harping on about it. you are posting in a thread I started so people could question it. But you seem hysterical to the point of the absurd, and it has made things very difficult. Disagree. You started off complaining that I was abusing my power - now you're complaining that I under utilise it. I do wonder, is there any way to win? No I didn't. I left the thread open. Then asked again. Then left it open. Then it got worse (as prediced) and I closed it. No, I didn't admit that, this is another lie/mis-understanding. But you need to start understanding because this is getting ridiculous. Rather, I "admitted" (explained) that if YOU had objected, it wouldn't have mattered as the thread would have been closed anyway when Mendoza and McVey kicked off. This is true of anyone, of course, but it is not because of a pre-conceived decision to ignore any objections - it was because the situation deteriorated. But it was left open anyway up until that point because of posts contained therein. Please, PLEASE try to understand what is being written. I've looked again and it isn't hard to understand in any way shape or form. If you kick off about stuff that hasn't happened it makes this exchange even longer and more fruitless. But you know that i've also allowed postings on hundreds of "racially charged topics" as moderator. You know that, beyond all hope of contradiction. Behaving like the mere mention of Harry Wills and Jack Dempsey will get you into trouble was ridiculous given my ACTUAL record on the subject, and not constricting, obsessing, and going a bit mental about this single thread. So yes, I thought it was a little unfair, said so, you disagree, as far as I am concerned the matter is finished. I have, but i've also repeatedly stuck up for your work, your right to be heard, tried to organise your re-introduction to the forum when you were perma-banned, praised your work in writing and treated you fairly as a poster and (I would argue though you would, somehow, disagree) as a moderator despite my not liking you. But you seem blind to all of that and accuse of being the exact opposite of what that behaviour embodies in being "dictatorial." You, in this exchange, have denigrated me as a poster, attacked the site where i post my work and generally behaved like i've shat on your back step. Because I closed a thread on an internet forum. My guess is that you would defend this by saying to me "that is how I really feel if you don't like it I can't help that". That's fair enough too - but you started this exchange by accusing me of being dictatorial, an abuser of my powers and comparable to some other dictator moderator who did something bad to you. I feel I absolutely refuted that, I feel i've shown that that is true. Instead of acknowledging that, you've just stopped talking about it, and now seem to be attacking me for undermoderating (threads and posts i should have deleted). Frankly, a hatred for me seems to be boiling off the screen. I am going to pause now, and try to understand why -- -- can't.
Everything that is written there (outside of a couple of really crazy posts) are available for you to read. It's not wasted, it's just been shut down. It's obviously upset a few people (one to the point of mania) but I can't do nothing in a situation like that. I elected to lock the thread and delete posts. Obviously I don't want to spend my evenings debating that decision, so in future i will delete posts and issue bans.
Not to mention This content is protected as well as This content is protected ! If we don't soon get to This content is protected , I think a certain shrew might get tamed. Permanently.
I don't want to see anyone banned not even Mendoza, he is needed for his entertainment value when things are slack. Klompy is a tough cookie that I fall out with from to time to time, but he knows a great deal. I think both protagonists in this argument have a point but on balance the thread was not starting WW3 so I don't see the necessity to shut it down, there again I don't feel strongly enough about it to help Mac play Saint Sebastian. Got to run, driving to Lincolnshire now.
I wish to remain neutral on this topic but would like to voice my thoughts on the Jeffries thread and the locking of it. 1) I found the thread highly interesting. It seemed to have a high level of interaction from quality posters on a thought provoking subject. 2) I have seen threads on here devolve into antagonistic verbal assaults from one poster to another and if The MOD felt that was where the thread was heading and wished to make a pre-emptive strike to save a good dialogue before it combusted I have little issue. (If the MoD states that is the reason the thread is ending) 3) perhaps the MOD in the future if they ask for input on whether or not a thread should cease can give a timeframe window on when those objections need to be voiced as we all operate on different time zones and work schedules. Our availability to reply quickly may be compromised.