wlad would give most atgs problems

I disagree. I think Wlad would give a lot of atgs problems due to his combination of skill and size.

If it was size alone, then Vitali would do even better h2h against other atgs because hes slightly bigger and had a better chin so there was less of a chance of getting KOd.

I think Vitali wouldn't do that well against many ATGs because he wasn't nearly as skilled as Wlad imo

 

he would put them to sleep like he does the rest of us

 

Vitali was actually more skilled than Wlad. People confuse Wlad's fluidity as him being better skilled. Vitali was awkward, but he was more versatile, threw a wider array of punches, was superior at using angles, higher work rate, countered much better and could even brawl a bit.
Wlad just hits harder and clinches more.

 

Vitali is easier to hit than Wlad.

Wlad has the better straight right hand, the better jab, the better left hook.

And as you said, Wlad hits a LOT harder than Vitali

 

nope, wlad would end up like he did against sanders, and brewster.

 

Vitali is eaaier to hit because he does not clinch at every slight breeze he feels.

Again, you are confusing Wlad's orthodoxy with being better skilled. Vitali sneaks his punches in better and they come from all types of angles.
Vitali has the much higher ring IQ, and can adapt. Wlad only has one plan. (Of course, it's a heck of a good plan due to his size and power)

 

I really disagree.

Vitali shouldn't get points because hes unorthodox. Thats precisely why his offense is not that good imo.

Sure I'm not a fan of the clinching but its a part of boxing and Wlad has used it well.

Take away clinching and sure Wlad gets trashed but thats a moot point because Andre Ward by many accounts is among the best fighters in the world but without clinching he'd get trashed by average guys too.

Vitali was durable, I'll give him that but thats not good enough to compete with the higher skill level of the other all time greats.

He'd just take brutal beatings from the many of the past best like he did from a severely faded, overweight Lewis.

 

And if Wlad didnt have his hand picked ref like Ward, you very well could take away that cheating part of his game

Hes not skilled, he's a gigantic pu ssy who's only allowed to get away with what he does cause of his ridiculous contracts see to it he can

Its not enough to be so much bigger and stronger than your slow mediocre opponent, he has to totally cripple them at the negotiating table as well

Retire already you big boring coward

 

Well yeah, a big, athletic, skilled heavyweight who boxes conservatively and has one shot power in either hand is going to be damn hard to beat.

 

Vitali is more skilled but his brother has a more powerful style.

 

Both Vitali and Vlad are not only big, but they are very skilled, have excellent timing...................

 

he sure gave that fat retired nobody 37 year old sanders guy problems for about 90 seconds, so its fathomable he might give atgs a problem momentarily.

 

So if we judge by your idiotic logic, then Lennox is nobody, cause he was KTFO by Rahman and by McCall ? Same goes for a lot of ATG if we look at just 1 fight imo ....
Wlad is more skilled, he is faster, stronger, and its not only the clinches. Manny make him defence great, but not only because of his clinches, he know how to slip punches and how to stay out of other boxer reach, with Manny Klitschko use his reach and height, like no one else. His movement is great, its not only clinching.
If it was with clinching only, then some wrestler with little speed and skill would be a Champion. And you got to know how to enter a clinches. If you dont, when you try to clinch you will be KTFO.
Look at Wladimir vs Byrd 1 and Vitali vs Byrd, tho Vitali was winning the match, until he injure his shoulder, see the difference and how much more skilled Wlad is.