Larry Holmes: Klitschko has no jab, no heart and would be beaten by Wilder or Stivern

:yep

BTW, do Coetzee and Spinks look more "skilled" than Povetkin and Chagaev? I think some of the by-gone names won't hold up when you look at their actual abilities closer a la Baer-Galento.

 

Typical illogical ****ering you see in these boards.

Comparing their actual opponents is the most sensible path.

Comparing a prestent list of contenders to a decade "best of" accomplishes nothing. Just randomly listing two "best of decades" doesn't even tell us much. It's about who they actually fought and when.

 

The HW's today, are not as good as the HW's from 30 years ago, as a whole.

The defence and the tactics are now on other levels?

The difference is insane?

This era of HW's is the weakest it's been for a long time.


Just do a quick comparison.

Take Wlad out of the equation, and there's not much left.


Today's best HW's:

Wlad Kiltschko
Povetkin
Wilder
Stiverne
Fury
Pulev
Arreola
Tarver
Jennings
Solis
Chisora
Glazkov
Hammer
Cunningham
Brown
Joshua
Charr
Wach


The best HW's of the 80's:

Mike Tyson
Pinklon Thomas
Mike Weaver
Evander Holyfield
Tim Witherspoon
Michael Spinks
Trevor Berbick
James Douglas
Greg Page
Tony Tucker
Larry Holmes
Carl Williams
Frank Bruno
Tony Tubbs
Bonecrusher Smith
Renaldo Snipes
Gerry Coetzee


Which era was the strongest?


:good

 

Actually, I already took Wlad and Larry out of the equation when I used Leon Spinks ( gold medalist and titlist ) vs Gerrie Coetzee (titlist) compared to Povetkin ( gold medalist and titlist ) vs Chagaev ( titlist and world amateur tournament champion ). Stating again: Povetkin and Chagaev used shorter more controlled punches, tighter better guards and maintained their balance. Spinks and Coetzee, on the other hand, looked like a wild brawl or a tough man fight.

Come to think of it Holmes fought Spinks but he didn't fight Coetzee while Klitschko fought both Povetkin and Chageav. Holmes was a titlist holding one belt while Klitschko is legion for he has many belts.:think

 

Again...

Typical illogical ****ering you see in these boards.

Comparing their actual opponents is the most sensible path.

Comparing a present list of contenders to a decade "best of" is misleading and accomplishes nothing. Just randomly listing two "best of decades" doesn't even tell us much about what said Champion actually had to deal with.

 

You can add whoever you want.

You can do it from Wlad's era of dominance or whatever.

You can look from 2005-2015.

This list is for guys like losh, who thinks that today's guys are superior.

He thinks the difference is insane.

This era of HW's isn't as strong as the 80's and 90's.

I don't know how anyone could argue otherwise.

 

Really?

The best HW's of the 80's:

Mike Tyson
Pinklon Thomas
Mike Weaver
Evander Holyfield
Tim Witherspoon
Michael Spinks
Trevor Berbick
James Douglas
Greg Page
Tony Tucker
Larry Holmes
Carl Williams
Frank Bruno
Tony Tubbs
Bonecrusher Smith
Renaldo Snipes
Gerry Coetzee

The best HWs of 00s

Wladimir Klitschko
Lennox Lewis
Vitali Klitschko
Chris Byrd
Evander Holyfield
Hasem Rahman
James Toney
David Tua
John Ruiz
Alexander Povetkin
Ruslan Chageav
..etc.

And Wlad beat the same number of guys on this list as Larry did on yours.

 

You are a troll and you don't know your boxing. Genuine boxing fans know what went down shortly after Haye moved up to HW, and why the first fight between him and Wlad in London fell through. They also know why negotiations stranded after Haye picked up a strap from Valuev.

 

It's not misleading at all.

Losh is claiming that TODAY's HW's are superior to HW's of the past.

 

You've compared just four fighters.

 

We know this.

But again, I was replying to Losh, who thinks TODAY'S HW's are superior.

This era of HW's is weak.

Just look at the top 20.

It's depressing.

 

You made a logical mistake there, you took a point in now ("now") and compared it to a full 10 years worth of fighters.

Lets take the HWs of today and compare them to a random point of time in 90s:

Skinny Lewis coming off loss to McCall
Fat comeback Foreman
Michael Moorer
Holyfield (who lost to Moorer)
Axel Schulz (beat Foreman, got 3 titleshots)
Frans Botha
Herbie Hide
Henry Akinwande
Frank Bruno
Bruce Seldon
Comeback one-dimensional Tyson
Olive McCall

Now tell me that "point in time" of the 90s is so much stronger than any point in time of the last 10 years -- especially when you sample a period when Vitali was still active.

 

What sort of BS is this?

You've done a direct comparison with just four fighters, and then said Holmes was a titleist holding one belt, while Wlad has many more?

So what?

 

Look at the top 20 in 1995 it was ****. Look at the top 20 in 1983 it was a JOKE. Look at the top 20 in 1956 it was a JOKE!

 

You're having a separate debate entirely.

I'm not comparing their skills and career path to see who was the best, I'm replying to another poster.