watching leonard-duran I right now

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  1. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's a p4p list, not a who beat who list. Leon Spinks beat Ali yet only a moron would say he was better than Ali. Duran was 72-1 before he fought any of those guys and had defended his lightweight title 12 times. So he was considered one of the top 2-3 lightweights in the world, before he moved up. And when he moved up he just didn't fight anyone, no he fought and beat the 2nd best welterweight of all time. That alone, full stop would be a career to be extremely proud of. What's there to apologize for, looking at the complete picture??
     
  2. The Masked Man

    The Masked Man Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You're arguing with a zombie
     
  3. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes, I seem to do that way too much around here.
     
  4. KillSomething

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    Do you have any idea how shot Duran was for those fights?

    The man was also maddeningly inconsistent. Still: The best version of Duran beat the best version of Leonard, a faded version of Hagler beat a faded version of Leonard (and then was ducked by him), and Hagler and Leonard BOTH stopped Hearns.

    The hierarchy is pretty clear when you actually watch them all and understand where they stood in their respective careers when they fought each other. If you're reasonably intelligent, which you aren't :good
     
  5. The Masked Man

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    You're arguing with a zombie too
     
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  7. MVC!

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    Duran apologists are hilarious. They're so butthurt over the fact that he has been the least successful out of all of the members of the FAB4 quadrant in terms of matchups with one another. No one doubts his ATGreatness, but they make it seem that Duran is superior h2h to those of the FAB4. GTFO!!!

    Duran 1-5
    Leonard 5-1-1!!!
     
  8. Drew101

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    Best version of the Leonard was the version that defeated an underrated Kalule and Hearns in consecutive fights. He was still a great fighter (so was Duran), but it can be argued that Duran was closer to his peak than Leonard was when they met in Montreal.

    Anyway, I think Leonard's surge in the last three rounds made the fight quite close...and I don't think a scorecard of 8-7 SRL is completely out of the questions- even though I had the same scorecard for Duran.
     
  9. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    Duran won but it was close

    Durans camp deserves blame for the quick rematch his management thought he was going to eat and drink his career away and wanted a quick rematch before he imploded
     
  10. Sweet Jones

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    Didn't he really just use this thread as an opportunity to kiss Bob Arum's azz?

    Have some self respect, G. :-(

    And BTW, is was a co-promotion with Don King.
     
  11. The Masked Man

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    Pimp C, sweet jones, and MVC=:rofl:nut:tired:verysad
     
  12. Pimp C

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    The difference is spinks isn't an atg and Ali was completely shot so you're not going to argue that. Benitez hagler srl and Hearne are all time greats and all of them have wins over Duran. H2h he didn't do well against them and his record proves it.
     
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    He wasn't shot Duran apologist quit making excuses as to why he lost got schooled got ktfo or quit.:deal
     
  14. Vanboxingfan

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    That's a pretty hard score to defend considering how one sided it was during the first couple of rounds for Duran. Essentially you're saying the Leonard won the 2nd half of the fight be quite a bit, and I'd say the 2nd half was close to even. But you're right about SRL winning the last couple of rounds and in fact Duran coasted through the 15th round.
     
  15. cereal monotony

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    HEre's my theory of what happened in the rematch....

    As I was watching this fight, I realized something. Duran is taking A LOT of hard shots....i mean, some brutal punches to the head and body...even in the late rounds, he's absobing tremendous punishment...and that's when the punches are even more damaging. In fact , I would say that duran got hurt a lot more than srl was getting hurt even though it was duran pinning srl against the ropes.

    Anyway, my theory is, the first fight took a lot out of duran. more than more people realize, because people are so focused on the fact duran got the decision, they don't see just how much punishment he's taking.

    II think duran quit even BEFORE the rematch. He didn't want anymore of srl after the first fight and it showed in the rematch. sometimes, after a brutal fight like that, a fighter needs a abreak...duran was just recovering from the first fight and had to give srl a rematch...he just wasn't up to it.