Ricky Burns and More Importantly Scottish Boxing

Hahaha no probs Billy I'll indulge you in this.

Is what happened with Lee and Peter the same imo No. The two occasions are totally different and there are totally different circumstances behind them. I can comment because I have spoke to you before on the phone and in your gym about the circumstances behind you and Ricky, we have never spoke about what happened with Lee in the Euro title fight (at least not that I can remember). That's why I can make a valid point regarding your situation where as it seems like as you said earlier that your 'fishing like a granny for a crack that ain't there!!' by bringing up Lee and Peter.


Lee had worked with Peter at my request, I thought it would be great to have someone with Peter's experience to help with the level Lee was boxing at Commonwealth/British and getting his Euro shot. It was more of a part time thing where Lee would go down and get some sparring/pads maybe 1 or at most 2 times a week.

You and Ricky were working together full time and did for years, you have admitted that Ricky got a bit hung up on his power and was no longer listening to you as intently. It would have been much easier for you working with Ricky everyday to see this problem and try to address it ?

 

Billy...........we have heard on more than one occasion Ricky say that he does not (usually / seldom / never ) watch tapes of his forthcoming opponents.

Was that something which you condoned?

I'm not fishing, I just don't understand that as a tactic.

 

What you fail to mention is Scott was battling depression, a severe mental illness where the pressure to get out of in bed in the morning is too much never mind doing anything else. I mean Scott won a World title and within a couple of hours it meant nothing to him whatsoever.
However look at the comeback Scott made a couple of year ago. And how he handled the thought of going back to prison in a foreign country where he was attacked on top of all his other issues. Scott went into the Liam Walsh fight leaving all these troubles, pressure etc out of the ring and got on with it like a true pro. I understand Ricky had problems of his own (contractual), but you can't compare them to Scott's. Different ball game.

I've always said Scott would beat Burns. Scott could go to jail for another couple of year and he would still come out and beat him.:deal

 

lol I'm only teasing big boy:good
Yes he believed he was a puncher he wasn't he was a very fast combo puncher with a great workrate

 

I was with Scott from his first pro fight till his last one a depression was never mentioned once, we all knew about the drinking but that had been an issue for a very long time before it was even first mentioned in public
Ryan I know your a fan of both more so Scott but there is no way Scott would beat Ricky even in his prime Ricky is so wrong for Scott

 

I don't doubt it was never mentioned to you, Billy, however that doesn't mean Scott never suffered from it. Even to this day "stigma" is still attached to mental health, so I don't think Scott at the time would have wanted to be known as "that depressed guy". I don't think Peter would have wanted to tell the world that either, he probably thought it was a weakness. Scott has since spoke about his battle with depression and has been treated for it.

I know both of them are not the same fighters anymore, but more so Ricky. His speed and movements away and more worryingly his once good defence is not there anymore. So if they were to fight Scott would win.

 

I see your point about the illness but I'm sure I would have been told at worst picked up on it, it is a common thing in boxing I think
Ryan we were told Scott was in z"the condition of his career" against Liam Walsh and gassed after 6, If he done that with Ricky he'd have been badly stopped, it's all opinions

 

The Real McCoy would have wiped the floor with Walsh even around 50% of his best shape.

Don't know how people think the post prison Harrison can suddenly regain his previous fitness levels when years older and prison ages everybody.

 

scott was a great fighter but I totally agree with you,

 

We were also told Mike Tyson had rejuvenated himself before the Kevin McBride fight Billy.......you know thats always the noise that is made.
Peter H was hardly going to come out and say its Scott's 3rd fight in 7 years, he needs rounds, and will be rusty, was he? But thats going to be the case with anyone out for any length of time, never mind someone who has battled drink issues and spent loads of time in jail.

I also think that Scott at his best is at an absolutely different level from Ricky, I think Ricky achieved way above his ability level, and for that you both deserve huge kudos, but Scott, in my opinion only of course, would have pulverised Ricky.

 

Of course he would have pulverised him no shame Scott was a great fighter in a great era one were there was 10-15 world class fighters in his division. Take someone like Michael Brodie if he was fighting in his pomp now he would have one many a world title fight let alone just won for a fight or two. Think of boxers at that weight in that era Marquez (interim champ to Scotts belt) who never accepted his mandatory to fight Scott, then there was Pacman who said Scott was only guy in his eyes that would be a 50/50 fight then there was Naz, Moralas Mendina Chacon Barrera then a level of those guys there were people like Chi McCullough Brodie who all would be long standing world champions in today's much weaker era. The FW division then was the strongest division of any weight in the last 25 years or so. I can't remember any British fighter in history who was a long standing world champion in a division as good as that was.

 

All about opinions Harrison is done at his time he was gd but he's totally done now and no one is interested apart From moog and Ryan ur entitled to ur opinions but think the vast majority would agree if he can't beat Walsh he ain't gony do anything at euro level never mind world.if he wer to fight Ricky 2moro I know who my money would be on but if both at prime prob take Scott by late stoppage

 

moog chacon was good but only defended his title twice,mc culloch was a bantam/ super bantam,chi would have been some fight with Scott, forget naz,morales and Barrera different level mate and wee Brodie was a shot fighter who was getting dropped in sparring before Scott fought him so he had no chance against Scott.