erislandy lara: the uncrowned superstar

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  1. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    Lara = boring
     
  2. cereal monotony

    cereal monotony Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    then, don't watch his fights, dummy :lol:

    just like i don't watch wlad because i think he's boring.
     
  3. kirk

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    Weve gone over this before in another thread, and fact is, history will prove one of us right and the other wrong.

    But to me, any boxer who wants to be considered elite isn't going to have scary moments against the likes of a past it angulo, and have close fights with the likes of Canelo.

    Lara is a big, prime 154lber, who is a decent/good boxer....

    but that's all he is.

    Nothing more, nothing less. A guy his size/age/style should be dominating someone like Canelo.... (like I said before, Mayweather is a welterweight who is past his prime, and he landed more power punches on canelo then Lara did, while at the same time getting hit less than Lara did.... THAT is elite boxing)

    He will lose next time he steps up, imo. I watch him fight, and see him struggle with things an elite boxer would and should never struggle with, and see the gaps in his much talked about skillset and I chuckle that some people think hes a top tier operator.

    Again, hes a solid, solid fighter who can even rule 154 for a bit until the next actual elite fighter comes along.

    Calls of him being on the p4p list are even more laughable then the disparity between his actual skillset and the one his fans think he has. Hes beaten Williams, Angulo, Vanes, Trout, Canelo n Ishe, and he should be ranked in the top 10 fighters in the entire sport across all divisions? Insane. Not to mention plenty of legit people actually think he lost the Canelo fight.

    That being said, by all means maybe he improves and he proves me wrong. I hope he does.... Ill be the first to admit I was wrong, boxing can use all the great fighters it can get.
     
  4. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    Canelo is one of the best we have right now. Paul Williams was one of the best when Lara beat him too. How many fighters do we have who can give up the kind of reach, height, and weight Lara gave to Williams and do what he did with him? The list is short. Pac vs Margarito and De La Hoya, May vs Alvarez or Corrales, Martinez vs Williams, Rigondeaux vs Asagawa, and that's about it.

    Search your mind for our top elite level guys right now. Klitschko, Golovkin, Froch, Marquez, Kovalev never did that, never beat a bigger man. Honestly, Golovkin doesn't have any name on his resume as good as Alvarez, but people concede that he's elite.

    One last thing, in 2004 when Marquez first fought Pacquiao, he was the same age as Lara and his record was no more impressive. If Lara sticks around as long as Marquez, he should have a few impressive things to show us.
     
  5. FloatingGhost

    FloatingGhost Some guy Full Member

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    I bet you're not black. Korean would be my guess. One of those american west coast Koreans who really thinks he was meant to be black.
     
  6. cereal monotony

    cereal monotony Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    i don't get all the criticism of this guy. are you saying that he has to be 10 times as good as everybody else in order to get the same level of respect?

    ok, so maybe he was overly cautious against canelo...but a lotta top fighters have made much worse tactical errors....look at canelo-fmj. look at ortiz-fmj. look at dlh-trinidad. you saying dlh was not elite? l

    lara has one performance which he WON but didn't look spectacular and that precludes him from being brilliant? ...the guy has 24 fights and he has fought pretty much all the top guys at jmw....and he really should have an undefeated record except for the corruption and blatant bias in the sport.

    if i was his promoter, i would market him as the modern day srr...i would get him to learn english and exploit his cross-over appeal with american audiences... completely change the public perception of him.
     
  7. dinovelvet

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    Lara has a glass heart and a glass chin.

    He left his sack in the dressing room before he 'fought' (ran) Canelo. He's a disgrace to prize fighting.
     
  8. Manfred

    Manfred Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :lol::lol::lol: That's cold.
     
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    The Williams win is a good one. Yes.

    That, and the manner in which he dealt with Trout, are his only two real impressive performances for me.

    Canelo?

    Lara fans are going to have to accept, that he did not dominate Canelo. Even if you had him winning, understand, that plenty of level headed non bias fans had it super close, some had Canelo up, some had it a draw.

    I repeat, no elite level fighter in their prime, with the styles advantage, and who isn't small for the weight, will have a close enough fight with Canelo that many can watch it and actually think they lost. Canelo is a basic, nothing special fighter (though I like him). Is Canelo good? Yes he is.... but hes not a top tier operator, and that Lara couldn't deal with him impressively shows me exactly where hes at.

    But MORE then all that, I go by what I see. I can quite clearly see Laras level of operation when I watch him, and that's enough for me.

    Like I said, we will see who is right. I will bump this thread win or lose and If Im wrong Ill happily eat humble pie.
     
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    I wont keep going back and forth over the topic, there are some slight logic errors in your post but its ok.... like I said, time will tell :good Im excited to see how it pans out.

    Hopefully he keeps getting meaningful fights.
     
  11. Kush

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    Hes already a legend in track and field
     
  12. fruitpunch

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    Lara lost me as a fan in that Canelo fight.

    He got the shot of a lifetime and he fights like that?

    He deserved to lose for running so much.

    I even picked him to win
     
  13. Azzer85

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    I dont want to see Lara fight again, just look at his awful performance vs Canelo.

    Throwing a pawing jab and the occasional left hand is not going to win you the fight.

    Lara sucks
     
  14. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    I think the key reason we disagree is that I do believe that Canelo is a very good, although not quite top ten fighter right now. He probably deserves to be around top twenty. He's somewhat overrated, but the kid is 24 and has already had 8 title fights. That's special.

    I see you not rating Canelo for the same reason I don't rate Bradley. He got dominated by Pacquiao and had a very close fight with Provodnikov, who is a C class fighter. I rank Bradley around top twenty the same as Canelo, but I can definitely see some skills and recognize a few of his accomplishments.

    To my eyes, it looked like Lara could dominate Canelo, but he underperformed to narrowly beat him. I get why some people think Canelo beat Lara, because Lara deserved to lose the way he fought, like De La Hoya vs Trinidad. It was a little disgraceful and sickening how little he engaged, and at a certain point you want to give rounds to the more entertaining fighter who's showing aggression and pushing the fight. I was just really impressed with that boring fight anyway because he made Canelo a good fighter look like nothing. If Lara threw just a few more punches, which he's totally capable of doing, there's no reason he couldn't be where Andre Ward and Guillermo Rigondeaux are... inactive and off basic cable. Lol, but elite.
     
  15. ElCyclon

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    That's a very dismissive and extremely biased paragraph.

    Some people automatically assume that the more skilled boxer is the better fighter, which is not always the case.

    You're simply giving Lara all the credit by implying that the reason he he did not live up to your expectations was because he "underperformed" and dismiss anything Canelo did by, again, simply implying that all he did was be the agressor. BS.

    Lara performed beautifully for the first couple of rounds but by the third he was already feeling Canelo's power and that's the reason he started running and did his best to avoid any exchanges for the rest of the fight. The reason Canelo was able to hurt Lara early was because
    he was faster and better than Lara expected.

    And this does not compare to the DLH/Tito fight. DLH only ran in the championship rounds, Lara ran for the greater part of the fight.

    You can fool yourself into thinking that Lara could have won this fight
    if he wanted to but in order to do that he would have to box like he did the for first 3 rds and for that he would have taken a lot more punishment from Canelo. Might have even been stopped.

    The crux of all this, the better skilled boxer is not always the better fighter. In this case, Canelo was the better man that night.