Explain the Ducking History of Great Fighters Part I: Roy Jones

he was a MW.

 

You and Loudon don't consider the time frame. Think for a second why on earth would Holyfield fight Jones BEFORE he fought Lennox? Seriously think about it. The Holyfield-Lennox talks began in March of 1998. Both had Mandatory fights they had to handle first to get the deal made.

 

Pulled out against Douglas who was not even a top Heavyweight and had lost 100 pounds to get back into not even close to where he was in 1990 then walked away from Sanders at the last minute.

Fought John Ruiz.

What is wrong with this picture? Are we supposed to pretend like Jones was willing to take on all comers with this track record? :huh Seriously?

 

how many MWs were willing to take on allcomers at HW?

weight this up against jones's actions.

then you will be able to make a true appraisal of his actions. but you NEVER do that Rico. I dislike jones for cheating at least once with drugs, but that doesn't mean I tar all his actions.

 

Jones was a Light Heavyweight. The better question is why did all the other Light Heavyweights that moved up fight THE champion but Jones chose to fight John Ruiz? Spinks didn't move up and fight Witherspoon or Berbick. He fought Holmes who was THE champion.

Saying he was a Middleweight is misleading. All those guys were Middleweights at one point and time also. Jones has a clear concise history of taking the path of least resistance especially at Middleweight, Light Heavyweight and Heavyweight. It is on paper. That is what I have a problem with.

 

...because fringe contenders who had no US profile did nothing to change that

 

I think there's a huge difference between ducking someone out of a fear of losing to them, and dismissing someone, or deciding to go with other options etc.

It's completely illogical to suggest that Roy was afraid to fight a faded Nunn and Steve Collins.

Look at who he actually fought.

Look at the fights that he and HBO tried to make.


The haters only look from the opponents perspective.

Steve Collins didn't want to fight Joe Calzaghe, and Joe Calzaghe didn't want to fight Carl Froch. But were those guys ducked? Not in my opinion.

Roy didn't want to fight a few guys. But IMHO, he didn't fear them.

Everyone's circumstances are different.


I keep asking these following questions, and nobody has answered them as yet.

1. List all of the guys who Roy missed. Were they any better than the best guys who he actually fought?

2. Would they have brought bigger challengers, than what the best guys he fought brought?


What's happening here, is that people will just find any name who he didn't fight, and then rip him for not fighting them.

Their logic is: Whoever Roy didn't fight = He ducked them.

There's gaps on everyone's record.

The examples are endless.

Look at the guys who Roy missed, and look if they fought everyone who Roy fought.

Roy's getting ripped for not fighting Collins and Roch.

Well go and look at their resumes and look at their best wins.


If Roy had fought Nunn, Collins and Roch, but missed other guys, I'd now be in a debate asking why Roy fought those guys, instead of (insert names) ?

It would be never ending.

 

I said Ruiz was decent, and they were decent wins on his resume, nothing more.

We know he was truly dreadful to watch.

But you and KillSomething are making him out to be an absolute nobody, then demanding to know why he didn't fight the likes of Collins.

Steve Collins was a tough SMW, but he was limited and he had a belt that nobody respected in the 90's.

IMHO, not fighting a guy like that, isn't a glaring omission from his resume.

At the end of the day, he fought better people, and you simply can't fight everyone. If he'd have fought Collins and Roch etc, he'd have got criticised for not fighting someone else.

Those types of fights would not have enhanced his legacy and moved him higher in anyone's all time rankings.

 

no its not,he was a MW and title holder as a pro. its not misleading at all. its misleading to ignore that.

 

I respect your opinion.

But why would Roy have pursued him?

It's not as though he was beating top competition. Surely you're not criticising Roy for fighting him?

 

IF Park's could have landed.

Which basically applied to almost everyone who Roy fought.

IF is the biggest word in the English language.

 

Of course he did.

 

Let's start with these gentlemen:

Michalczewski

Graciano Rochigiani

Michael Nunn

Gerald McClellan

Nigel Benn

Chris Eubank

Steve Collins

Joe Calzaghe

 

and how many of them made their name in the states to earn their shot at him?

 

Who cares why ,Jones tried to get that fight done and you completly dismiss it as ha ha Jones had lunch with Holyfield ..


I mean really how do you sound ...You criticize him for Douglas and Sanders yet he tried to make a fight with Holyfield who twice the fighter Dougals and Sanders was ! Your full of double standards when it comes yo Roy ..