Duran vs Leonard aftermath

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  1. boxer101

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    I just finished re watching the leonard vs duran trilogy as well as some of their other fights. I got to say that duran never had the same intensity after the 1st fight with leonard. Even in the remach he tries to fight with the same energy but he is just missing a bit. He was still a great fighter who could compete at the elite level as he showed against hagler and barkley but that fight was grueling and I think it took something out of him. Not that he was shot after the fight but that was his peak performance in terms of stamina, power and intensity.

    He would never be able to physically fight with the same intensity and without this intensity he would not be able to beat a prime leonard ever again unless leonard got careless. As his career progressed he lost more and more of that intensity and began to rely more on countering with his right hand which allowed him to win many fights like the barkley fight which is a great case study of how deadly and effective the right hand counter is. Mayweather and james toney are two of the only few fighters who counter and lead greatly with their right hands.

    The fight was also grueling for leonard but he was only 24 and was able to recover. Leonard's peak performance was against hearns but he also paid a heavy price. He lost some great years because of his detached retina. Had he rematched hearns a year or two later the intensity of the fight would have severely cut his career shorter than it already had specially since hearns was a bit stronger at 154. he would have had to go through hell to beat hearns again.

    I think leonard from the second duran fight or the first hearns fight would be able to beat hagler using his great movement specially since hagler was still fighting as a boxer puncher not a seek a destroy monster like he did during the hearns fight.
     
  2. Constable

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    it is well known duran was out of shape and was suffering with stomack cramps lenny took advantage of this and made the fight quickly because duran use to stuff his face and drink between fights duran was not fit to fight but the money was to much to turn down.........

    when both were fit and at there best duran came out on top FACT!
     
  3. c-man shooter

    c-man shooter Active Member Full Member

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    I feel like smashing your yellow ****ing snaggled teeth in Boxing_Master
     
  4. antonio plaisir

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    didn't this can of worms only just get closed? it'd be good if we could put duran from their 1st fight against leonard of the 2nd... but we can't. 2 of the greatest fighters of my lifetime.
     
  5. boxer101

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    The thing is Leonard had a few significant advantages over duran:
    Hand speed, size, youth and foot speed. Duran had to be in tip top shape and fight with his vintage intensity but I honestly don't think duran had it in him anymore. Even if Leonard didn't cunningly wait for duran to get super fat, lets say leonard gave duran enough time to train for the rematch I don't think duran would be able to reproduce the performance. I think he left something in the ring that night during their first fight.

    duran never fought with the same intensity after that fight and without that intensity he could not beat leonard unless leonard would fight flat footed or run into a right hand counter like he did in the 3rd fight where he got both eyes cut.
     
  6. boxer101

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    My intention is not to open a can of worms but i wanted to share a pattern I saw after the first leonard vs duran fight.
     
  7. antonio plaisir

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    i'm not saying you are, just watch how your thread goes, it only took 1 post!
     
  8. boxer101

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    I am amazed and inspired by the heart duran, hagler, hearns and leonard showed during their careers. These guys left it all in the ring. They fought their asses off and because of it they left something in the ring. Duran was never the same after his first fight with leonard, leonard was never the same after his fight with hearns, etc. That was the price they paid for fighting their asses off.

    Now modern fighters like maywheater are aware of this wear and tear they can suffer so they choose to fight defensively to avoid losing longevity. That's why even at 38 he is able to fight effectively although he has slowed down some. Where as leonard was shot by age 34
     
  9. boxer101

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    Sure duran came out on top during their first fight but he paid a price. That fight was 15 hard fought rounds where both fighters dished a whole lot of punishment. Luckily leonard being the younger man recovered but duran although not an old man (he was 29) did not recover as well and never had the same intensity since.
    kinda like the corrales vs castillo fight. Those guys fought their asses off but they were never the same after that fight. That fighter ended whatever was left of their prime
     
  10. Constable

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    floyd doesnt compare to those 2

    floyd is a *****
     
  11. boxer101

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    legacy wise no, but what i mean is that he has avoided the types of wars that shorten your careers. I am surprise that pacquiao is still fighting the way he does after all the wars he has engaged in. A 36 years old man should not be as explosive as he still is.
     
  12. Constable

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    duran will always rank higher than the fab 4

    duran was a natural 135 and hagler was a natural 160 and duran was shot as well and still gave him hell duran even being shot beat guys who he was not suppose to
     
  13. boxer101

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    I know that, duran is my favorite fighter followed by leonard, hagler and then hearns. Duran fighting hagler would be the equivalent of mayweather fighting GGG. Although Hagler is much more accomplished than GGG. People would definitely give mayweather a pass for not fighting ggg so likewise duran had no business fighting at middleweight yet he still kicked ass. I get annoyed when people claim duran is over rated because he lost many fights. The question is how can you expect a lightweight to consistently beat weltherweights and strong middle weights. We dont expect mayweather to move up to middleweight and beat fighters like ggg, hagler, hearns, hopkins etc. That is unrealistic and speaks of a hidden agenda. I also don't understand why people cant be fans of multiple fighters. They think being a fan of a particular fighter means hating on another great fighter
     
  14. Constable

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    forget ggg mayweather would lose to many mw (lee,qullin the kid who beat rosada and even rosado himself) the guy ggg is fighting murray would knock mayweather out himself based on the size

    duran HAD NO BUSINESS FIGHTING AT MW
     
  15. The Masked Man

    The Masked Man Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm with you on this. I already put my two cents in. Everyone here knows my stance on the matter. I don't feel like arguing anymore with halfwits who troll here