Explain the Ducking History of Great Fighters Part I: Roy Jones

I have nothing but the utmost respect for Chris for keeping it real but you can tell both He and Roy had a mutual respect for each other ..


No on to the idiots who say he ducked Chris I bet they don't even address this as usual

 

bailey,

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Roy made the decision to move up to LHW in October, 96, and his first fight was the following month, in November, 96.

Nigel Benn was finished at that point. He'd lost to Malinga, and then he'd lost to Collins after he'd come out of retirement.

Chris Eubank at that point, had lost twice to Collins, and had recently fought at CW.

Herol Graham was 37 years old.

Michael Nunn had already left SMW at that stage, and was fighting at LHW.

Joe Calzaghe had done nothing at that point. He'd only had 19 fights.

Robin Reid had just beaten Nardiello for the WBC title. In the pre Brannon interview that I posted up with Roy, he said he'd made a seven figure offer to fight Nardiello. That tells me that had he been able to have secured a WBC title fight, he may have stayed at SMW just a little while longer. But according to Roy and HBO, offers to fight Nardiello and Liles had been turned down. So it appears to me, that Roy made the decision to move up to LHW, just prior to Reid beating Nardiello.

So with Liles having turned him down, his only options would have been Collins and possibly Reid, if something could have been worked out.

So late in 96, the LHW division was significantly stronger.

Correct.

Correct.

Why aren't I correct?

How have I tied myself in knots?

How have I tied Herol and Imp in knots?

I love watching you and Herol debate.

I'll give anyone a debate, even the haters.

Which point?

I've just shut down your points by using facts and showing you the timelines.

 

I'll do you a deal.

If you can convince KillSomething to have an objective debate, I'll go through them one by one, giving links and offering logical opinions.

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Well they've completely dismissed the Evander link, and still claim that Roy only wanted to fight easy fights. So it wouldn't surprise me at all if they ignore your link, and carry on claiming that he ducked Eubank.

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Of coure they will seems most of the Roy critics are pretty bitter and clueless

 

Calzaghe didnt beat Hopkins in a division Hopkins had a loss in, but also why do you try and forget and not mention that Hopkins backed out of facing Calzaghe years before he lost to Taylor? Why? Guess it doesnt suit your agenda. You see these are details, that you would say make me a fanboy, when that is not the case when it is a known thing, so it shows you to have an agenda. Not bright at all

 

So you couldnt answer and ducked what was written and am now trying to change the subject
You keep wanting to say 10 years, but look at it another way.
Calzaghe was 33 when he had his first unification. Golovkin is that age now and not had a unification, Froch was 35, Hopkins was 36 before he had his first unification, Lewis was I think 34 when he had his first unification

 

With due respect, I am not involved in the whole thing you guys have.
I saw what he asked and just wondered if anyone had answered and I have not seen an answer. When posters cant give direct yes or no answers it make me wonder if they know. I couldnt answer his questions, which is why I have asked if anyone can and I havent seen someone take the points as requested and answer

 

Again make more excuses for your hero why did it take a decade to unify

GGG has nothing to do with this convo

Why after his bout with Chris dod it take him 10 yrs to fight a name ?

And he waited 10 yrs to fight of all people Jeff Lacy

 

Calzaghe had a lot of alcohol, drug & woman troubles during his 'reign' with Eubank's title,& boxing was on the back seat.. I don't think he cared much for many years
Charles Brewer was good though; he dominated Echols (robbed), battered him before Echols gave Hopkins Hell

 

He had his addictions alright but for about 10 yrs he was addicted to fighting stiffs

 

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You'll try and spin it another way.

You can't do direct comparisons with each guys age, due to the difference in circumstances.

But it has NOTHING to do with age, and you know that.

Joe waited ten years to unify, and for the majority of those ten years, the division that he fought in was weak.

Now the only way to look at it, is to ask the following:

Do you really think that GGG and Froch would have waited ten years to unify, fighting in a weak division?

The answer is no.

You can't spin your way out of this one.

 

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