Explain the Ducking History of Great Fighters Part I: Roy Jones

no why look at it another way at all, the question is why calzaghe take 10 years?

not why froch take less than half the time calzaghe did.

you flop failey.

 

so he fuk better than he fight, to quote a craap movie.

 

hey failey you getting serial knocked down inthis thread. shame you got no welsh ref to jump in and save you by awarding you a win when someone slips for a moment.

 

bailey,

Just go and find me one person (not a troll) who thinks that Nigel Benn wasn't shot after his loss to Collins. He lost to Malinga and then retired. He then came out of retirement and had to bet a large sum of money on himself to motivate him against Collins. He did that, because in his own words, he knew he was kind of gone.

So go and find me a poster who disagrees with me, and agrees with you. Nigel was done in late 96. He went on to lose to Collins for the second time, just weeks before Roy had fought McCallum.

It was a fight that was hard to make. It was hard for the Levin's to negotiate with King in 95, and in 96, HBO backed Roy when he said he'd offered Nigel seven figures. Roy also says that he sent his representatives to the Malinga fight.

You're now deviating off course.

This has nothing to do with our current debate.

Yes, James did have a stay busy fight at CW. But the circumstances were completely different. He was young, undefeated, and he still held the IBF, SMW title, which he was always going to defend again.

Whereas Eubank had lost twice to Collins, and when he fought at CW, it appeared as though he'd left SMW for good.

Yes, Herol could still fight. But he was a long way past his best.

No I'm not. Nunn wasn't at SMW when Roy decided to move up. He left SMW after his defeat to Frankie Liles, and he fought at LHW and CW, apart from a single fight at SMW, which was against John Scully. Then after he'd beat Scully, he was back up at CW and LHW.

I don't understand what point you're trying to make here?

Frankie Liles turned Roy down. We've got a link where HBO backed Roy, and we've also got an interview from his former manager Jack O'Halloran, who states the same.

But what do you mean, and?

You are arguing against my claim that LHW was the stronger division?

But the only fighters from your list who were there late in 96, were Liles, Reid, Calzaghe, Graham and Collins.

So LHW was clearly the stronger division.

We know that Benn was very interested.

But that has nothing to do with our current debate.

You are arguing that when Roy moved up to LHW, the division wasn't as strong as SMW. But again, Benn was finished at the point that Roy decided to move up. He retired for the second and final time, after he'd again lost to Colins, just before Roy fought McCallum.

Again, Roy's only possible options at SMW before he moved up, were Collins or Reid.

What are you talking about?

What do you mean how was LHW stronger?

Again, when Roy moved up, Benn was finished, and Nunn and Eubank were no longer there.

So the divisions looked like this:

SMW:

Collins
Liles
Calzaghe
Reid
Graham
Nardiello
Malinga
Brewer
Wharton

LHW:

Hill
Nunn
Michalczewski
Griffin
Guthrie
Del Valle
Toney
McCallum
Sosa
Rochigiani

How have I shut myself down?

My dates and facts are 100% correct.

When Roy left the SMW division, LHW was stronger.

The only person who's waffled, is yourself.

I haven't argued about McCallum and Hill.

All I've said, is that the LHW division was stronger than the SMW division, when Roy decided to move up.

But I agree with you, regarding McCallum. He was finished, and he retired shortly after he'd lost to Roy.

Virgil Hill had been beaten by Dariusz, and he was also past his best. But he was still a good fighter and he wasn't finished. Not like how Benn was against Collins.

 

I've told you why I haven't given him an answer on this thread.

I've answered the majority of his points, on his other thread. But he has completely dismissed every link that I've uploaded.

So again, what would be the point in me answering here?

 

You are wasting your time, and indeed space here. Our friend Loudon is totally blinkered as far as all things Roy Jones are concerned.

He even went so far as to say a fighter ( Calzaghe ) deserves NO credit for beating Jones., and this on a boxing site.

This is tantamount to saying a jockey deserves no credit for winning the derby, because he was on the fastest horse. Conveniently forgetting that said jockey still has to pace, and steer the stupid creature otherwise it would go in a straight line and possibly run off the course.

That is the sort of perverted logic young Loudon has when discussing Jones Jr.

A gentleman it must be said, but when it comes to his hero it is like watching those religious freaks trying to debate with either Lawrence Krauss, or Christopher Hitchens. Al they have got to say is " I believe, I believe."

 

Lets discuss Roy's feeble Chin and his reluctance and omission of savage punchers on his resume despite the fact that several were ready and available to fight in every single division Roy fought in.


Is this just some bizarre coincidence?

 

Glad to see you back on the general.

:good

 

Rico, what would this forum be like without you and bailey?


Me: "Rico, read the excerpt from Jim Thomas's book."

You: "No! I don't need to. I knew Evander's nephews, so I know what really went down."

:rofl


Comedy gold.

 

I don't doubt the book. But that excerpt doesn't take into account the whole story. Several people in this thread have told you that not just me. Jones wasn't getting that fight no matter how many lunches he had with Evander until the business with Lennox was settled. See, real Champions want to fight the best fighters and unify. Something you as a Jones fan know very little about.

And there is also the evidence of Jones making promises then reneging on them with Buster Douglas. Jones had a lot of egg on his face because of that. Wonder if he and Buster had lunch also? Can you tell us about it?

 

I wonder if Jones was ever knocked out in sparring.

I know Frankie Liles knocked him down in the amateurs, and Jones was on unsteady legs for the rest of the fight, holding on.

And McClellan had him pinned against the ropes for the whole of their amateur fight, maybe he was too hurt to spin out of danger and use his legs properly, held up by the ropes?

Liles and McClellan both beat him....

 

If Evander had already beaten Lennox to become the undisputed champ by the time Roy met him, it would have made NO DIFFERENCE whatsoever.

Again, the reason he didn't want the fight, was because he felt as though he was in a no win situation. If you go back to the excerpt, you can actually access quite a few chapters of the book. It's a great read.

You know what happened regarding the Douglas fight.

 

John Scully has given a great account of Roy's fight with Gerald. In his opinion, Roy used the wrong tactics. But he also said that he'd have tipped Roy to have beaten him in the pro ranks.

 

Sorry but that was proven false as Holyfield was willing to fight Jones after he had his 2 huge fights with Lennox.

 

No.

Evander was willing to fight Roy almost four years after he'd fought Lennox, because everyone's circumstances had changed within that five year period.

You're just inventing excuses so you don't have to give credit to Roy.

You can slice it however you want, nobody would have gone to Atlanta to pursue a fight with Evander, if all they were interested in, was fighting easy competition.