Explain the Ducking History of Great Fighters Part I: Roy Jones

Hi Loudon

I hope you are well today.

Yes Joe dodged competition for a decade and fought no one while the hopkins and jones of the world went about creatiing a resume.

But Loudon have you ever thought that perhaps Joes father didnt tell Joe there were good fights out there ?

 

:huh

So Evanders circumstances don't matter when Jones wants a fight bit when Evander wants it they do matter?

Do you even realize what you just typed? :rofl

 

Hall of famer Chris Eubank seems to suspect Roy Jones Jr was hiding a glass jaw during his prime years:

"I believe Roy Jones has a question mark over his absorbance of a shot because nobody really touched him in his prime, and I would."

Food for thought.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_7uXIeFfA8

 

Oh the irony

You have been provided with facts,links ,articles etc ..All your pts have been refuted and the fact that you can come here and say that he has a poor resume speaks volumes of your boxing knowledge !

Your hypothesis is based on opinion and we can see right through it that's why you failed miserably with this thread not because of your so called facts

 

You want food for thought here is an all you can eat buffet !


From Chris Eubanks himself

"Dodging a fighter is a cardinal sin in boxing and is something i can never be accused of, unlike one such character who came onto the scene during my era. Roy Jones, James Toney and Michael Nunn for example, i did not dodge.
Lets use Roy Jones as an example. When people asked me why i wouldn't fight him, I would say to them, 'Never mind the title or my job, a fight like that could take 5 or 6 years off my life.' I was well aware of that. He was Pound for Pound, arguably the best foghter on the planet; in regards to his style, his devastating punching ability, the whole repitoire, he had it.
The rule is that if you are champiuon of the world for one body, you cannot be the No.1 contender for another belt. Unless someone was officially the recognised No.1 contender, I had no preofessional obligation to face them. With Roy Jones, he was fortunetly (and i use that word with the utmost respect) never the number 1 contender. Had he been. I would not have dodged. I would have taken the fight. Would have i won the fight. Highly unlikely. What would of been for sure was that he would have come away from the fight and got hurt, and i would have been hurt probably far more than he was. It would of been a war. Techincally we would of been well-matched, so our pure grit would of started to come into play. I believe we both had powerful wills, so the fight would up running on pure instinct. That can be a exceptional violent occurence. Interestingly i was told that Roy Jones was rumoured to have said that the only fighter he had reservations about facing was me. I don't remember any of my critics saying much about that.
So, the ultimate measure of a fighter is not dodging. If you do, you lose your standing, your respect, your honour. Don't dodge the No.1 contender.

"
:hi:

 

Hi mate,

same to you.


Joe knew who was out there. How could he not know?

He was more than content to fight those WBO mandatories for the majority of his career. There was nothing wrong that. It was his preragotive.

The only issue I've ever had with Joe, is the ridiculous things that he's told the media. Like saying he'd chased Roy for six years. That really annoys me. Because he never fought in Roy's division or in the U.S.

We know he was more than happy to defend the WBO against whoever, because he's bragged of his number of title defences.

 

Of course circumstances matter.

Everyone's circumstances have to be taken into account. But you've accused Roy of taking the easy road throughout his career. Then when I prove that he didn't, and use the example that he pursued Evander, you laugh and say "he knew he wasn't going to get the fight because Evander was looking at fighting Lennox." But that wasn't the reason why he didn't want to fight Roy. You've been given a specific reason why he didn't want the fight.

Again, in 2003, everyone's circumstances had changed. Five years is a long time in boxing.

 

:rofl

You expect people to fill in your template, when you're still asking for credible links regarding Liles?

Just how special are you?

You can't get more credible than HBO, and his former manager who was convinced that Liles would've won.

atsch

 

But are you going to respect what I post, and take the links into consideration, and be objective?

 

:rofl:rofl

Loudon you are going in circles now. Which is it? Do you understand the circumstances for BOTH situations? It can't apply to just one of them like you are trying to spin it. The 'lunch' meeting is the biggest joke of them all. It is you who can't look at things objectively and you keep saying Roy had 'talks' with all these fighters like Holyfield, Tyson, Lennox, etc. Guess what? He didn't fight ANY of them. Not a single one. Therefore, it is meaningless. All these people were not avoiding your precious Glass Jawed hero.

Roy's modus operandi his whole career was to 'talk' about 'big' fights then go and fight the Glen Kelly's, Richard Hall's, Rick Frazier's and Otis Grants of the world. There is a clear concise history of him doing such. Look at Roy's resume for the time period you are trying to discuss with me from August of 1998 to March of 2003 he fought nobody worth anything. This was during the 'Roycott' when he was selling 90k PPV buys :roflatsch on HBO.

It was a laughable farce.

 

This is comedy gold So Rico enlighten all of us how do you negotiate a fight ?

 

The managers and promoters do that. If you think it is just Roy then he is the worst businessman of all time because he had so many failed negotiations this list is like 15 fighters deep :roflatsch

I know he wasn't a good businessman because he is broke.

So how about you explain that to me? How was Roy unable to negotiate all these fights he must be awful since NOTHING ever got done.

The Sanders fight is a prime example. Murad Muhammad and Rodney Berman negotiated everything it was agreed to and Sanders signed then Roy said 'no'. So, is that Murad's fault or is that Roy Jones the great businessman (according to you) fault? :huh