Explain the Ducking History of Great Fighters Part I: Roy Jones

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  1. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    He's dreaming.
     
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    $170,000?

    Where are you getting these figures from?

    Roy signed his first great deal with HBO, in 1992.

    I don't believe for a second that he only got that for Tate.
     
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    You're talking crazy.

    You can't compare 1995 and 2007.
     
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    There's numerous links that prove that Roy and HBO tried to make other fights.

    What do you mean you don't care who he had lunch with?

    Read the excerpt.
     
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    Whenever Roy dealt with King, he always made sure it was on his terms.

    Back in the early to mid 90's, the Levin's wouldn't give any future options on Roy.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1993/02/13/s...ks-king-s-delivery-and-lands-his-punches.html

    http://www.nytimes.com/1992/10/21/sports/boxing-notebook-on-a-bumpy-road-to-big-money.html
     
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    The deal at HW, was that Don had to be the promoter if Roy defended the WBA belt.
     
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    That's not what we're debating though is it?

    The point I've made, was that HBO and Roy's advisors tried to make big fights, that included a fight against Dariusz.

    Again, there's numerous links that cover Dariusz, Liles and a Hopkins rematch etc.

    It's just biased nonsense to claim that Roy took the path of least resistance.

    If you read the thread in it's entirety, as well as KillSomething's other thread, titled - criticising Jones's resume, the links are there for everyone to see.
     
  10. Serge

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    Roid was notorious for demanding huge or highly unrealistic sums or cash to fight opponents. It was a common theme with him.


    So he wanted a king's ransom to go over to fight a guy in Germany who he ''didn't know was good enough to beat the American fighters at the top of the rankings'' and had who was ''barely able to get past Richard Hall'', a fighter Roid literally toyed with all night and beat with contemptuous ease? lol

    He didn't want to fight in Europe because he was robbed in Asia as an amateur? lol

    He didn't want to go over there to fight Dariusz and get robbed even though he'd seen his countryman Virgil Hill (a fighter he'd knocked out in four rounds) go over there and come away with a close decision, one that I wasn't alone in thinking at the time was controversial (I haven't seen it for a very long time though) over the insanely popular and unbeaten German ''Golden Boy'' Henry Maske whose popularity in Deutschland rivaled that of a pint of bear and watching football?

    Indigenous German Maske was a hell of a lot more popular over there than Polish born Dariusz was but funny how those evil Germans who obviously would've had a fair amount of Korean blood coursing through their veins didn't rob Roid KO victim Virgil Hill when he went over there. Roid was obviously well aware of that too.

    This is how popular Maske was in Germany.

    They used to call Maske the ''Michael Jordan of Germany'' over there for goodness sake! Maske vs Hill was a unification match up with both Hill's WBA belt and Maske's IBF one on the line and obviously a huge event for German boxing (it was the most expensive one in German boxing history).

    Maske was also highly accomplished amateur who'd brought back gold medals in the Olympics, the world amateur championships (and also a silver too), and three golds from the European championships. He was revered like a god over there. He was also undefeated as a pro with (30) with 10 world title fights under his belt.

    Maske-Hill I would actually have been a draw had one of the judges scored it a point the other way. Just a single point on the Swiss judge's card meant the difference between the most popular fighter in German history losing his unbeaten record and IBF strap.

    But American Roid KO victim Hill was still awarded a split decision over there, snapping Maske's 30 fight unbeaten run in the process, both of which there was an awful lot of people in Germany who had vested interests in not see happen, in a fight that would've been declared a draw if one judge (a European judge) scored differently by a solitary point in an event that was not only the most expensive in German boxing history but was also supposed to be Maske's farewell fight before heading off into the sunset with his immaculate record intact. lol

    But when Roid does the same with other fighters it's a completely different story. He's actually saying yes when he prices himself out. lol

    The real reason for Roid not daring to step foot out of the US and come over to fight in Germany or Europe is because he knew he would:

    1. Actually be tested for steroids/PEDs.
    2. That in the event he did fail the test the Germans would'n't have been quite so eager to sweep it under the carpet for a foreigner like the Americans did for Roy (the only reason we found out about Roid's roiding was because Richard Hall couldn't keep his mouth shut).

    Them's the facts, nut-huggers. The truth is a painful pill to swallow sometimes but you leave Dr. Serge with no option other than to administer it in heavy doses to you when your delusion runs so rampant.
     
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    Just answer this did DM's own promoter not return calls when they tried to finalize the deal to have Dm on a Jones undercard so a fight between the two could be set up ?


    Because DM said if he was paid right he would have no issues coming to the states but yet it was Roy who priced himself out ?
     
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    It didnt take him 10 years to fight a name, he fought Reid, Woodhall, Veit, Brewer, Mitchell who had all been or were SMW champs, I could add a bit more, but dont need to.
    Fact is Calzaghe was 33 when he first unified, which is the same age as Golovkin now, younger than Hopkins when he first unified, younger than Froch when he first fought a unification fight, younger than Lewis. Thats not an excuse, thats a fact :hi:
     
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    You calls those names :lol::lol:

    Gtfo no one considered those guys A level :rofl:nut

    Hell Lacy wasn't even A level so not until he fought Kessler did he fight an A level fighter :lol::lol:

    Your boy fought no one for over 10 yrs that would,have tested him! That is FACT!
     
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