Explain the Ducking History of Great Fighters Part I: Roy Jones

Roy's LHW reign gets underrated IMO because he never fought DM... But when you look at the top 10 ranked fighters through the years of Roy being there, he holds wins over just about all of them, save mainly DM. He also defeated Tarver shortly after DM lost to Gonzalez, someone Roy wiped the floor with.

I think a strong case for Roy being the man of that division can be made. Lineal champ isn't always the man, and lets face it, Virgil Hill was getting into his 30's when DM and Roy fought him, neither win can be classified as "great" IMO.

It is still a shame they never fought, but Roy went on to do more after talks finally broke down, it tells me a lot about their intentions.

 

Yes my young friend that is exactly what we are debating. You stated that Jones and his people did their level best to get DM to go to America to fight him.

You conveniently do NOT say that Universum offered Jones what at that time would have been his highest purse ( 6 million ) for Jones to go to Germany and fight Dariusz there.

I'm not on about the klingons like Impervial who latch on to your coat tails. I am talking about your total bias when discussing anything to do with Jones.

Even YOU can't be so blinkered to excuse that " I was robbed as an ama in Korea, so I'm not leaving the US to fight as a pro " bulls&*t.

 

You are full of s^*t. Next you'll try telling us even bigger lies by claiming it was Brits or Europeans that were calling Lacy the mini Tyson, who was the best thing the 168 division had seen in years, as opposed to idiot Yanks.

Funny how he suddenly became garbage AFTER Calzaghe tore him a new as*&%le.

 

What Don King screaming at the top of his voice in front of as many cameras and microphones as possible that he would pay 25 mill each to Benn and Jones, if they would just find a way to get it on?

Never, far too shy and retiring is Don.:roll::roll::roll:

Of course he would have said it, and more if need be. Only a fvcking idiot would believe he'd actually pay that much though.

 

Over all resume not just one division ..Roy barely spent time in two divisions super middle and middle .Larry Merchant also is on record showing a list of four fighters for Jones to fight and he beat 3 out the four in that same video you are refrencing ..

 

This has already being discussed.

It's no good looking just from the opponents perspective.

Roy didn't want to go to Germany, and he made that clear on numerous occasions.

Yes, he did turn Kohl down. But Dariusz said he was willing to go to the U.S. Yet Kerry Davis wasn't able to negotiate with Kohl to try and make that happen. It was all BS. He never had any intentions of going to the U.S. His resume speaks volumes.

Yes, Roy turned down Nunn because he wanted more money. But again, he'd already contemplated going to HW, even before he'd beaten Griffin. When he couldn't work anything out with Nunn, he relinquished the belt. When the HW fights didn't materialise, he fought Hill at a catchweight. The Nunn fight would have brought in $1.8m. Whereas, the Hill fight brought in $3.5 - 4m.

 

According to what source?

 

bailey,

You hardly ever allow for circumstances.

It may be interesting to you, but not to anyone else.

So what if Joe was younger?

For the millionth time, unless he was physically unable to, why didn't he move up?

Roy's getting trashed on here for not unifying at SMW, and moving up to LHW. Roy's circumstances were exactly the same as Joe's. He couldn't unify. So his choices were either to stay and wait for other opportunities, or to move up to LHW. He chose the latter. He moved up and fought McCallum, Griffin, Hill and Johnson etc, and HBO tried to make a Dariusz M fight.

In 2003, Joe couldn't fight Ottke to unify. He had the same two options as Roy did. Either to move up to LHW, or to remain at SMW. He chose the latter. He stayed to fight Mitchell, Mkrtchyan, Salem and Veit etc. When Joe made the decision to wait, Lacy and Kessler were nowhere to be seen. This is the guy who supposedly chased Roy for six years. Yet even when Ottke slammed the door in his face, he just carried on doing what he'd been doing before.

What do you mean, how was it weaker?

From 96-2004 it was weaker.

Would GGG stay at MW for ten years fighting the caliber of guys who Joe seemed happy to fight?

Would Carl?

No.

Your direct comparisons hold no water.

The circumstances are completely different.

Carl isn't good enough to unify, but he's always been happy fighting in a competitive division.

Joe was an elite fighter, fighting WBO mandatories one after the other, when he could have moved up to LHW whenever he'd have wanted to.

 

1. Were the guys he missed, any better than the best guys who he fought?

2. Would they have brought bigger challengers, than what his best opponents brought?

3. How can you ignore every link that I've posted, that quote actual facts and figures?

4. You're not sure why Roy didn't want to fight Collins in 99, after he'd confronted Roy in the ring? He hadn't fought in two years. HBO wanted him to unify against Reggie instead.

5. Why, when you've criticised Roy's resume, did you want him to fight a washed up Steve Collins who'd been inactive, and who'd never fought at LHW before?

6. If he'd have taken the fight, wouldn't you now be on this thread criticising him for doing so?

 

Up until Danny Green, Jones had had 59 fights, only 23 of them had been outside of the southern states, never mind the US as a whole.

Yet Jones fans true to form slag off DM for only fighting outside of Germany twice.

 

Bingo.

Let's look at the resumes of every fighter he faced, and every fighter he didn't.

 

Bailey,

How many more times?

Seriously?

Joe could have moved up to LHW, and been made mandatory to whoever held the WBO title at the time.

Zod's been telling you for that for the last two years.

He was never going to get a shot at Roy. Stop deluding yourself.