Overrating Past Greats?

the Kirkland laing fight is about 20lb and 5-7 years past the version of Duran I'm talking about.

And I'd be very carefully against comparing Duran's power against Mayweather, cause it's really no contest. Mayweather broke his hands in at least two fights. And if you've ever saw Duran fight you know, Mayweather's punching power isn't going to affect him in the least. Hell he went 15 rounds with Hagler, you think Mayweather's power going to give him trouble.

So it would be the hands of stone against the hands that crumble.

 

Because they are blind to the fact that even tho a fighter may have won 100 and odd fights,80 % of them were of a very poor standard.also with nostalgia you often here the great Gerry quarry and the likes,when in reality they weren't great.
Athletes evolve,techniques evolve,a hand full of old school fighters would be competitive today.it doesn't help when ppl like Bert sugar get branded experts so ppl hang off their every word and use their opinions as fact,such as jack Dempsey would ko Tyson.tyon would win that fight in under a minute,anyone with eyes can see that but good old Bert says it so it's like it adds weight to the argument

 

So if you follow that argument to it's logical conclusion I guess you're also saying that Wlad would blast out Tyson for the exact same reasons.

 

Well as I said, those who have watched both for decades, such as Dundee don't think he can, and neither do I, and I've been watching boxing well before you were born. I have yet to see any credible p4p list that rates Mayweather anyone close to Duran. Hell Mayweather's not even considered the best of the current generation, as there was a poll here a couple of days ago and Pac won by a landslide. And head to head, Pac's not being Duran and neither is Mayweather.

 

He's capable of doing so if the Duran who fought Laing steps into the ring, but if it's a prime Duran who fought De Jesus, Mayweather has pretty much no hope of beating that version of Duran.

 

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Montreal Duran crushes Floyd on his best day. This was a slightly past his prime lightweight moving up to be competitive against America's best, undefeated fighter and successor to Robinson and Ali. Instead of being competitive, Duran put on a masterpiece and not only outworked Leonard, but at times even outboxed the boxer from long range. So Leonard wasn't always just going toe to toe, that was an excuse he used, he adapted just like Floyd did, hut Duran wouldn't let him. It was still a close, hectic fight, higher quality you're not going to find, but Duran put on display of brawling 101. Not since LaMotta or Frazier was there such a successful brawler, only with Duran, he had a high boxing IQ too, which seperated him from the other great pressure fighters and brawlers. It would take more than just grit and will to hang with the likes of Hagler and beat Barkley. 9 out of 10 boxing writers picked undefeated Moore to squash Duran. Tommy Hearn's greatest career win is over a lightweight fighting at 154, that just goes to show how great Duran truly was.

 

who said quarry was great? was it the same imaginary guy who was quoted earlier as saying braddock and dokes were great? There is a classic forum post from today describing quarry as a 'solid contender; counterpuncher; bleeder'. seems a fair assesment to me, and not a description of a great fighter.

no one gives a **** what bert sugar says, search for him on the classic forum and try to find positive posts about his knowledge, let alone anyone with a brain actually using his silly stories as facts.

 

A real poster put up quotes about Dokes and Braddock being great. I'm not the only other poster to blast that idiocy in the thread.

I suppose the poster who said that Ali and Frazier looked like athletes will become imaginary once somebody puts up links to images of the old timers Ali and Holmes looking very flabby while Klitschko and Wilder don't seem to have as much blubber on them.:hi:

 

It's interesting but i think Holmes and Foreman were 42 years
old against Holy.
You said everyone did 180 in Holy case. Maybe, but don't forget we live in the PED era and nobody knows the truth about a fighter
real talent ! I think sometimes the steroid or other PED did/does 180.

 

I'm not gonna fall into the trap of arguing with you when me and more than a dozen or so other guys already took you for a ride lobotomy. You should take a walk. You need help.

 

I believe the great fighters in this generation could have been great in any era of boxing, however I also believe there are less great fighters overall currently. Guys like Pacquiao, Hopkins, Wlad, Mayweather are still having much success even though by their own standards are relatively washed up. Even Marquez, sure certain styles have a chance of outpointing him however I wouldn't be surprised to see him carry on fighting and stringing some wins together at his advanced boxing age. I think the newer crop of fighters aren't as well rounded as the previous generation/generations.