Explain the Ducking History of Great Fighters Part I: Roy Jones

Imperial,

The article you posted does not show that Dariusz team hadn't been trying to negotiate, just that it didn't work out. But more importent, look at this:

But it's not like Roy went after the winner of that fight, now did he? Roy stayed at LHW, where he had been for a few years, and fought Glen Kelly and Clinton Woods instead. Why throwing around Trinidads and Hopkins name as a reason to why not fighting the second best at LHW, and then go after mere cannonfodder???

Kelly and Woods can't have been more viable than Dariusz. That's impossible.

"Try everything" may go down in the history books as a slight overexaggeration.

There you have it. Roy seems to have been prizing himself out.

More mumbojumbo about the winner of the Hopkins vs Trinidad-fight :huh

It still seems Roy ducked IMO. That doesn't stop him from beeing a great fighter, but ducked he do.

 

Also DM said he would come,to the USA if the price was right but Roy priced himself really :huh

How is it a duck when you have the head of Hbo coraborating with Jacobs that they could not get DM and his promoter to the negotiating table ? How does that logic work atsch


And as far as the Trinidad Hopkins fight soon after is where you got that whole 60/40 with Roy and Bhops but we all know what happend there .

 

Why is that that nobody ever talks about Dariuz here or elsewhere, from now until eternity, except in relation to Roy Jones. No one talks about his abilities, posts film, rhapsodizes about his skill. there is simply little interest in Dariuz as a fighter apart from his one time connection to RJJ. Why is it, do you think, that Vasul Lomachenko worships and emulates RJJ but not Dariuz. The answer is of course obvious.

 

Fine.

It's hardly a glaring omission from Roy's resume though is it?

Also, if he'd have fought Roch, there'd always have been someone else who he didn't fight.

He was a good fighter. But he lost to Eubank and Dariusz, and he's somehow been turned into this huge threat who Roy was running scared off.

 

Michalzzz had a very good jab, decent fundamentals, decent allarounder. Nothing special. A past-his-best and always very basic G.Rocchi was beating the **** out of him.

Joe Calzaghe looked very special against Eubank.

 

So my opinions are ridiculous, but you want to read more of them?

Ha!

Now stop being a silly boy. You know I've provided links with actual facts and figures, as well as my own logical opinions.

The list that you've made above, looks pretty accurate, apart from a few omissions and the order.


:good

 

Robbed against Michalzzz.

Eubank was special that night, his timing was literally immaculate. He (G.Rocchi) was 6ft3, a southpaw and looked more like a cruiser, with a guard that was almost impossible to find any gaps through, and threw hard timed straight shots from the high-guard position without pulling or loading. Basic but near-immaculate. If G.Rocchi stayed amateur instead of turning pro early, he would've been near-unbeatable in the ams and top dog ahead of Hill and Maske. He was a threat. What he did to Hamsho, who gave Hagler hell, was frightening. If you were marginally undersized, or had a slightly suspect chin.....

 

If Trinidad had won against Hopkins, a Jones-Trinidad fight would have been huge money.

 

We can't know for sure what went down between the camps. Roys negotiater says this, Dariuzs promotor says that. Maybe one of them are lying, maybe both are. But there had been contacts between the teams, and what Roy says is that Dariuzs didn't try hard enough (what the hell is that supposed to mean?). So there must have been some kind of negotiations.

In any case, Roys negotiater says the fight wasn't viable because Roy had to move down two weight classes and fight Trinidad. That's obviously nonsense.

Right. So why fight two cans instead of sorting things out with the second best at LHW?

 

Sure, but he didn't. According to teams negotiator, they would then "try everything" to make the fight with Dariuzs. They didn't. Roy fought two cans instead.

 

Here's a quick run down of what happened:


Peter Kohl who was Dariusz's manager/advisor, made an offer to Roy to go to Germany.

Roy turned it down, because he didn't want to go to Germany.

According to Kohl, two more offers were sent to Roy, and again they were turned down.

Kohl then stated that if Roy didn't want to go to Germany, then Roy's advisors and HBO, had to come up with a great offer to entice Dariusz to go to the States.

Dariusz then told the media he was willing to go to the States.

Roy's advisor Brad Jacobs, and VP for HBO Kerry Davis, then met several times in order to discuss a potential fight.

Kerry Davis then stated that he couldn't get a hold of Kohl, to even get the ball rolling with some figures.

Kohl then admitted to the media, that he'd purposely ignored HBO's attempts to reach him, because he was upset that Roy had repeatedly turned him down previously.

After not being able to reach Kohl via the phone, Davis came up with the idea of a double header that would have featured both fighters in the U.S. to introduce Dariusz to the U.S. public.

That proposal was faxed over to Kohl.

Kohl upon receiving the proposal, immediately turned it down, claiming that Dariusz wasn't an undercard fighter.


From that moment, talks pretty much fizzled out altogether.


The only thing I have to add, is simply:

Go and look at Dariusz's resume.

Go and look at who he fought after he'd been stripped, and after talks with Roy had broken down.


IMHO, despite what they said in the media, they never had any intentions of going to the States. Kohl was part of the WBO, and it's crystal clear that they milked the WBO belt for all it's worth.

Rightly or wrongly, at the time of negotiations, Roy was the unified champ. It wasn't his fault Dariusz got stripped. So why should the worlds best fighter and unified champ, have had to travel to Germany?

Why should Roy have put the IBF, WBC and WBA belts on the line against Dariusz's lightly regarded WBO belt, on Dariusz's turf?

The champ doesn't travel.


I'm sure you've seen this:

http://youtu.be/jjfhvs5vidI

That's why Roy was skeptical of going.


In 2001, Roy said "I don't think a knockout would be enough over there."

 

Roy was robbed of the highest amateur achievement.. I am sure getting flat out robbed of an Olympic gold could even be traumatic, even to a chicken killer like Roy.

Really??

I procrastinate, but not that much.

I have no opinion on the matter, but I believe Roy felt he wouldn't get a fair shake against DM in Germany, and watched DM disgracefully take a dive, even worse than Griffin did. Though If DM felt he would get robbed here against Roy I would totally understand his side too.

I am surprised you are such a good sport about Loudon making you look like a silly boy. I know a bit about Roy Jones too, my best friend is from Pensacola and has met him numerous times. Even had a boxing glove signed for me as a gift..

You are full of ****... I have followed Roy's career closely since I was a young boy as I was practically force fed him by by family.. I am a huge fan, though I don't agree with many of his life choices, statements and career choices.. And I will be the first to tell you when I believe he was talking out of his ass.. Not getting a fair shake in Germany is not one of them.

Your problem is you lump all Jones fans into a category (save Loudon) and all us "Muricans" into one... Do you even realize the cultural diversity from state to state here??

Quite honestly I believe you to be one of the most biased, hateful posters on here..

I can appreciate creative trolling with a sense of humor..

But I think you are just an idiot with some serious mental issues thinking he is here having and educated debate.

 

Trinidad lost. Hopkins, well 60/40-50/50 whatever.

Who did DM fight during the same period, was it any better?

 

Try being British, English, and fighting in Germany, Berlin. Jones's favourite fighter Chris Eubank did it, took it to points and beat the home favourite without having to knock him out or pay off the (albeit neutral American) judges. It is a myth.

Korea was definitely corrupt. Before '88 Olympics, American Lindell Holmes was robbed blind over there.

 

In fact Lamar Parks was very similar to Lindell Holmes - compact power-counterer. Jones struggled to give Lindell good sparring when Lindell was IBF champion, because he could block and parry the leaping hooks while dipping and countering with power.