Resumes that begin to fall apart under a microscope

Can be done to anyone...

 

Chavez at 140.

Often rated the best ever at the weight, but so much padding and sub-par opponents while avoiding Pea for years.basically Don Kings meal ticket by then.

Other than Meldrick Taylor, an aging Roger Mayweather and past prime Haugen looking for one last payday there is very little there.

 

True enough, especially if you have an agenda.

The Chavez 140 Don King gravy\hype train genuinely agitates me in retrospect though.

 

Earnie Shavers record looks fantastic till you see that the vast majority of his KO's were against guys with losing records. Makes me smile when i see people raving about how he'd destroy everybody today. Almost every time Earnie stepped up he was either banged out or out boxed.

 

Nobody will ever convince me that Aaron Pryor would have done anything other than ran Chavez out of the ring at 140.

 

Exactly.

 

Wow, lot's of Chavez love around here today..

The career of Julio Cesar Chavez is valued not by what he did in any single division but rather what he did as a whole across the board. Padded record or not, reaching 89-0 is something that you'll likely never see again, let alone by anyone who also championed in three weight classes and fought some of the p4p best at the time. I disagree that his 140 resume is weak. Roger Mayweather wasn't old. He was 28 years of age and a defending champion and fought Chavez through what I remember as an outstanding fight on HBO. Hector Camacho vs Chavez was the biggest thing going on at the time and both were undefeated at 140. Haugen had never before been stopped. The Taylor win was huge. John Duplesis, Terrence Alli, Angel Hernandez and Sammy Fuentes were all good fighters. The taxi drivers record was something that he did throughout his career to stay busy as well as to provide live appearances to his countryman in Mexico who had neither cable television nor the means to see him fight elsewhere. Frankly I have a lot more admiration for a champion who fights an additional 3 to 4 times per year ON TOP of also facing his top 2 or 3 mandatories than the kind of sedentary nonsense that we've seen from most champions in the modern and post modern eras.

 

Understandable but it has been done, ad nauseum. Particularly on here.

He's nearly as much a lightning rod for this sort of bone-picking as Tyson. (who probably is the all-time #1 where this sort of thing is concerned, not helped by the fact that for thirty years there has been the vocal "Mike kayos Ali easy, GOAT!" contingent on the other side fostering scorn)

 

I rate Chavez as a truly great fighter Magoo.i just don't have a lot of time for his run at 140 once the 90s got under way.

camacho was done and had been underwhelming for years, that was little more than a sparring fight for Chavez while Hector fought to survive, showed nothing other than durability and confirmed what most had thought about him for years....he had little to offer anymore.

That being one of the more notable fights he had there just sums it up for me.Duplesis, Fuentes, a by then washed up Ali etc would have had your typical WBO champ of the time salivating.

We should have got a Whitaker vs Chavez fight years before we did, maybe then we might even have got a series.

 

Remember whitaker was still busy dominating 135 at the time. Sure the fight still could have been made and was in high demand, but its not like Chavez was ducking mandatories or avoiding unifications with men who mattered. And he ended up fighting Pernell eventually anyway. I think his reign at 140 was very admirable and while Camacho had taken a step back, it was still a very good win. We can sit here all day and whine about his never facing a Pryor or Arguello, but the obvious reason why he didn't was because there were none.

 

Lennox Lewis resume falls apart

 

Andre Ward.

Some people claim Ward is the number-one fighter in the world pound-for-pound.

His two biggest wins came against Kessler and Froch. Both Froch and Kessler are completely different fighters when competing on their home turf.

When fighting in the U.S., Froch struggled with Ward, Glen Johnson and even Jermain Taylor. (Froch had to stop Taylor in the closing seconds or he would've lost the decision.)

Against Ward in Oakland, Kessler was headbutted to the point that the fight was finally stopped.

Since the Froch win FOUR YEARS AGO, Ward has fought twice. Rodriquez was a nobody who went the distance. Chad Dawson wasn't the fighter everyone assumed he was.

Ward's a decent fighter. But the best in the entire sport? No.