Explain the Ducking History of Great Fighters Part I: Roy Jones

Rico packs a glass manible and a glasses brain

 

Rico Spadafora,

It doesn't go beyond circumstances at all. I've explained in detail what happened. It's not my fault if you won't accept it.

How the f*ck does it show that he was reluctant, when there's numerous links containing information that he tried to fight Evander, Dariusz in the U.S. Benn, Liles, Nardiello and Hopkins etc?

Were all those links bogus?

atsch

A pathetic excuse, that Don wanted future options, and the Levin's wouldn't allow it?

 

which begs the question,is it the glass brain or the glass jaw that goes first?

 

Well clearly the brain is gone so the chin will follow

 

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Is that why I haven't seen you? Were you really banned?

I got banned last year. It was awful. I had to talk my girlfriend in the evening, for almost every night for two weeks.

 

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Rico Spadafora,

I understand what you're saying, but you're completely biased. A guy who was objectively an*lysing Roy's career, would not be pi$$ed that he didn't fight Roch. Yes, he was a good fighter. He was much better than Kelly and Frazier etc. But not fighting him, hasn't left a gaping hole in his resume. The only guys who mention Roch are you and KillSomething. But the point about Roch, is that he was a decent fighter who Roy didn't fight, so you're now using him as a stick to beat Roy with. Now what I'm saying is this: IMHO, IF Roy had've beaten Roch, you wouldn't have given him credit for it, and you'd have found someone else who he didn't fight, and you'd have accused him of ducking them. You would always have one or two guys to use in a thread like this one. You're just hating on the Ruiz win, because he was awful to watch, and he wasn't Lennox. But even so, a win over Ruiz, was more significant than what a win over Roch would have been.

Yet more nonsense.

Again, in your other posts, you've mentioned where Larry ripped him against Frazier.

So how can you ignore where at other times, Larry and Kerry Davis spoke of trying to get him other fights?

Are you going to tell me and everyone reading this thread, that Larry Merchant and Kerry Davis weren't telling the truth at those times?

You loved what HBO said in 1999, but you'll completely ignore what they said in 1996 and 2001?

Is that how you're going to play it?

Roy fought on HBO over 30 times.

How can you expect anyone to have a serious debate with you?

 

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Let's hope the Huck fight never happens.

 

I think Roy was lying when he said it would be an easy fight... I think he knew he was not going to knock DM out and it would be a tough fight where he would constantly have to be weary of a big punch coming from Dariusz. But I do believe him when he says he didn't feel he would get a fair shake, it may not be rational, but that is how he felt I believe. We probably won't ever agree here but that's cool.:good

I also usually prefer a classy humble athlete that doesn't run his mouth and gives credit where credit it due.. Roy is pretty much the only mouthy, egotistical athlete I like... Certain similarities make me completely hate others whether it be Mayweather, or certain American football players.. I guess I was just a fan of Roy at such a young age, it makes me feel different about it.. Though I am not a fan of him mouthing off at the camera at all, and he has said some ridiculous things over the years that make me shake my head, I loved watching him box, and can probably sympathize with him more than you ever could.

Though I did love his trash talking episodes with Toney and Hopkins.

Who knows? I never really thought of it like that since you said something in another thread a little while ago. Do you think Roy was confident he would beat DM, but just worried about getting popped with a test?

Roy was to blame for the late hits, and it was a horrible thing that actually cost him from being 50-0 most likely.. He deserved the DQ.

But I do think Griffin acted, the way his first reaction was to look up at the ref in disbelief, and then all of a sudden he falls on his face... I do think Roy could have hit him harder, and had Griffin been that hurt, I don't think he would have taken that moment to look at the ref.

If my memory serves me correct too, Griffin was subtly fighting dirty.. I think it was at the tail end of the round right before the DQ, Griffin uses his elbow to pop Roy's chin in the air and then land a hard shot on him, but it was where the ref didn't see it. I think it is possible that added to Roy's frustration.. But Roy saying he thought Griffin was down low about to counter him was a total lie.

But had Griffin got up like I honestly believe he would have been able to, Roy would have just likely lost a point, and Griffin would have had the lead still... Roy gets criticized at the one who wanted a way out of the fight, but I believe that was Griffin, and that Roy went into a state of rage when he saw Griffin take a knee, when all Roy wanted to do was finish him off.

I don't really put too much into what Roy has been doing in his late career since the knockouts... He is just desperate for any kind of fight at this point and has been for some time now. When he was on top and known as the best, he had everything to lose.

I actually didn't know this, and if Dariusz felt he would get robbed here, I would see why he wouldn't want to risk his title for it.

That would have been awesome for Roy to have gone to Germany, or Daruisz to come here, either way It was a black eye to boxing as a sport for this fight not to happen.. I hate that it didn't actually, I think Roy had a good chance at beating DM.

 

Roch was a huge star in Germany, it would've given Jones some Euro exposure/fans and pushed the DM fight.. IF he won, of course..

 

What, do you seriously believe that YOU personally have critical thinking ability?

When:

1. You've ignored EVERY link that I've put forward.

2. You refuse to ALLOW for any circumstances.

??


Point A: How could he have fought all of the other champions, when some of them didn't want to fight him?

Point B: Just how many mandatories did he not fight?

Point C: How could he have fought Hopkins, when he priced himself out?


Come on Einstein.

Enlighten me with your great knowledge.

Even though you didn't even start watching Roy until he started to lose.

 

Have you mixed me up with another poster?

We were talking about Dariusz, and HBO being straight down the middle when it came to Roy.

Why don't you think that my HBO links are credible?

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Foxy writes:

"Jones claimed to have taken a drink that was bought over the counter in a drug store. This was palpable lies, as the test showed he actually had 5 times the acceptable level of said drug in his system."

This is just a total non-sequitur. "This was palpable lies"? What on earth? "said drug" -- huh?

You're not making any sense at all. None whatsoever. It's just incoherent nonsense. How do you expect anyone to respond to this kind of word salad? I think Farmboxer might have you beat in the IQ department. Farmy is in the 74-76 range, depending on how he's feeling. On a good day, he's not legally re****ed, but he always hovers around that 75 point mark.

 

So Dariusz team tried to make the fight.

Sounds like an excuse, kind off. Better for your resume to fight the best than to explain why you won't.

Dariusz team persistently tried to make the fight.

Sounds perfectly resonable.

Unlike Roy, Dariusz was prepared to fight the best, even though he had to travel.

Can you back up the highlighted parts with a source?

Roy wasn't the unified champ in any sense that mattered. Dariusz had held two of his three belts, but getting stripped for no fair reason, and still had one of the belts. Roy was seen as the better fighter, but it would have helped his case if he had fought the best, just like Freddie Roach pointed out. There was every reason for Roy to fight Dariusz.

"The champ doesn't travel" is a bit weird as an argument, in my opinion. They do, if they want to prove themselfes. Ìf they don't, then they wont travel. Roy didn't travel. But I agree he had moments when he stepped up. Fighting Ruiz, even if he was tailormade, isn't fighting an average bum. Ruiz held a title and has a decent resume, after all.

 

I have no interest in the beliefs or opinions of sad fan boys such as yourself. You remind me of those filthy Murican religious freaks who say that disgusting fvcking gawd word ten times per sentence.