Explain the Ducking History of Great Fighters Part I: Roy Jones

I listened to a Joe Rogan podcast once and Victor Conte was the guest and all they talked about was PED use in Boxing and MMA. Conte said it has been going on longer than we think and with a lot of 'big names' (he of course didn't name anyone but he did discuss Mosley's protocol a bit)

He talked about all the masking agents and said fighters are actually relieved when they fail a test for a masking agent and not the actual steroid because it still leaves no concrete proof just suspicion.

One funny story he did tell was some chemist that worked for a Bodybuilding supplement company (I think Gaspari Nutrition) was moonlighting on the side designing undetectable PED's for MMA fighters. He said the guy gave like a gallon (exaggerating I am sure) of some modified injectable steroid to Bob Sapp which he in turn used for himself and then sold to several NFL players and other MMA fighters. Said he had enough for like 10 years worth. :roflatsch

Stuff like this is why I don't get too bent out of shape over PED accusations or when fighters are caught because A LOT of fighters are just never caught. I am not advocating 'cheating' or PED use but lets be real it is rampant in every single major sport (NFL, MLB, Boxing, MMA, etc)

 

You and I have the same stance on this... Odd..:rofl

 

There are also quite a few NFL players busted for adderrall and the NFL lists it as a PED..

I have taken adderrall before and I felt like Superman and didn't sleep for 2 days.

But the comedown sucked... I don't know why anyone would use that for a PED.

 

It's a complete shame that you even edited this garbage post. Perhaps you were aiming this at yourself?? You are one of the most biased idiotic posters on the forum..atsch

Basement sitting, internet riding, knob jockey also known as Foxy.:deal

 

AnotherFan,

Not in my opinion. Why did they make offers to Roy to go to Germany, when he'd made it clear that he didn't want to go?

I believe it was a publicity stunt.

But it's easy for people to say that.

You have to go back and try and envisage being in his shoes.

He'd have been putting the three main belts on the line against the lightly regarded WBO, against a guy who'd famously cheated to get Roch disqualified.

Both guys have huge egos, and neither would travel.

Again, not in my opinion.

Right.

But then he ignored their attempts to negotiate.

Nonsense.

Again, go and look at Dariusz's resume.

Roy fought Toney, Hopkins, Tarver, Ruiz and Calzaghe etc.

Anyone can say that they were prepared to do something. It doesn't mean that they would have done.

Dariusz was happy in Germany, fighting B class opposition for the majority of his career.

I'm afraid that I can't at the moment. But if you type all of the relevant keywords into a search engine, I'm sure you'll find something.

Again, you have to look from Roy's perspective.

It wasn't Roy's fault that Dariusz was stripped. Rightly or wrongly, at the time of negotiations, Roy was the unified champ. Fairly or unfairly, he had all of the three major belts. He was never going to go to Germany with all those belts, on the grounds of what had happened to Dariusz four years earlier, hadn't been fair. Go and look at who Roy fought. There's nothing to suggest that he wouldn't have fought Dariusz in the U.S.

They only travel, either if they need to, or if they want to.

Ali loved it, whereas a guy like Floyd Mayweather, has never left the U.S.

Roy was the consensus P4P no.1 fighter in the world.

He'd beaten Hopkins, Toney, Griffin, Hill and Johnson etc.

In his eyes, he didn't have to prove anything by beating Dariusz.

Who had Dariusz beaten?

Why would a guy who fought a 226 pound HW who'd beaten Holyfield, not have been prepared to fight a LHW, who'd best win was against Virgil Hill?

John Ruiz wasn't tailormade, but the fact that he fought a guy like Ruiz, should tell everyone that he wouldn't have ducked a fight with Dariusz, if it had been on his terms.


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Noooo Loudon I thought this thread was dead and buried

 

That's ridiculous.

Again, HBO were straight down the middle.

They ripped him publicly, and they supported him publicly.

There's no reason not to believe Kerry Davis when he said he did his best to secure the network a Dariusz M fight. He had no reason whatsoever to lie.

Likewise with the pre Brannon interview. HBO would never have aired an interview where Roy spoke of issuing challenges, had they not had actual proof. You also had Frankie Liles's manager Jack O'Halloran confirm what Roy had said in that interview. You can't get any more credible than that.


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It's here to stay.

 

Serge,

Ha!

The only time I've ever been banned, was for inciting trouble and name calling.

But that honestly wasn't my attention.

I was bored at the time, and I was looking to post a thread out of the ordinary. So I came up with the idea of asking users to name their five favourite people to debate with, and their five least favourite people. I thought it would be interesting. Because I didn't want people to just drop names, I wanted people to give specific reasons as to why. I thought it would be fun. They were also other questions thrown in, such as asking who they regularly PM, and who they'd like to have a beer with etc. I think they were about 5-6 questions in total. So I did mine, so everyone could see what I expected in return. But when I got to my least favourite posters, I foolishly branded one of them a clown. And that was that. I logged on the next day, and I couldn't believe it.

Ha!

We've already been down that road mate. She's told me that I love this forum more than her on numerous occasions. She once shouted me upstairs to get up to some shenanigans in the bedroom, but I had to edit one of my posts first. I hate bad grammar.

 

It doesn't bare thinking about mate.

I still have nightmares about Denis Lebedev and Steve Smoger in Russia.

 

Serge,

:rofl

I just refer to him as Frank W now.

I've read these sorts of comments numerous times on here. The consensus is, he was cheating until he got caught in 2000. Then afterwards, he wasn't stupid enough to take them again, and that's when he started to lose.

But the problem with that theory, is that he fought Hall in 2000, and he didn't lose until May, 2004, when he was 35 years old.

So what about those four years?

In those four years, he easily beat Julio Gonzalez, Clinton Woods, and John Ruiz etc.

 

This has to be the best post I've ever seen you write regarding Roy.

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