The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

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  1. dodong

    dodong >>PACQUIAO Full Member

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    haven't you been reading articles???

    draft was sent, pacquiao signed, nothing heard from floyd's side for a while.
     
  2. buckdacious

    buckdacious Sin~City punks!!! Full Member

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    I just read Arum said HBO/Showtime have agreed and both networks said they HAVENT!!! SO SHUT THE HELL UP ALREADY!!!
     
  3. dodong

    dodong >>PACQUIAO Full Member

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    **** that, fraud is clearly not a willing participant. i still won't be surprised if he throws another roadblock to try and kill this fight.
     
  4. buckdacious

    buckdacious Sin~City punks!!! Full Member

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    HBO showtime havent agreed yet bro :hi::hi:

    Stop blaming Floyd you blind hater :nono:nono:tong
     
  5. thatguy

    thatguy Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Some PAC fans can't let old habits die. They are so used to just blaming FMJ and eating whatever PAC feeds them. Even when this fight is looking like a go, and both fighters seem to want it they just repeat information already proven to be false.
    They seem happier to blame Mayweather for the fight not happening and calling him coward than to see the actual fight... "Pac signed the draft doe..." WTF does that mean? Lol
     
  6. RY35AN

    RY35AN Member Full Member

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    This fight isn't going to happen. Two people to blame; Arum and Mayweather. There's too much animosity between them. Arum can't keep his mouth shut and Mayweather doesn't give a sh*t. Two men that have the biggest egos in this sport will not bend to each other's will. Meanwhile Pac acts like he's totally oblivious... Fight will not happen.
     
  7. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    Manny Paquaio must be getting bored. He's sensible he knows deep down Floyd is scared Manny will beat him. He knows Floyd doesn't want the fight
    Anyone getting excited thinking its going to happen will be heart broken AGAIN!!!
     
  8. deltrotter

    deltrotter Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Look its pretty obvious that Maynever is the one holding this up. He is his own boss has his own media platform, comes out and says they are trying to make the fight ( which is exactly what TR and Pac have been saying ) yet tells you nothing... As we know from very early on Pac agreed to everything that was asked at THAT time so it is pretty obvious that Maynever along with SHOW and HBO are the ones holding this up.
    Show must be negotiating like mad after losing so much on Maynevers 6 fight contract.

    Let me say one last thing " Its all well and good saying you want the fight, but its time to man the **** up Fraud and get this fight done 60/40 #1 vs #3 P4P, #1 and #2 PVP kings #1 and #2 WW
    60/40 is FAIR
     
  9. deltrotter

    deltrotter Well-Known Member Full Member

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    And this is According to Fat Dan, Fat Dan who said Cotto and Maynever fight was Happening lmao.

    Let me ask you something.. ( and in no way am I agreeing with Uncle Bop ) who has more dealings with The TV networks Bop or Fat Dan? there is only one answer. Propaganda got you by the ********s lmao
     
  10. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    How? Why? What does Mayweather have that is going to just completely stump Pacquiao? Honest Q
     
  11. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    Signing a draft doesn't mean ****. Pacquiao signed a draft lol think about that for a minute.
     
  12. dannyc1990

    dannyc1990 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lmao there was no draft as pacs own manager stated. It was a lie
     
  13. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm about to answer some of your confusion, so listen up.

    ******Isn't the clock out of time? May 2nd is too close, and there won't be enough time at this point to promote.******

    Time is of the essence, but the idea of it needing to be done by the Superbowl is a false ideology. Most of this stemmed from Pacquiao's deadline, end of Jan, but they didn't need a contract by then. Pacquiao's camp wanted significant progress, enough to where they felt confident to continue into Feb. Seems they got what they wanted on that end. Plus, believe me, no side will be walking away from this unless something serious happens. Neither side wants to be the one to walk away because whoever walks away walks directly into the hands of millions of furious fans.

    Mayweather announced his early May fight with Guerrero Mid February, and he announced his May 3rd fight with Maidana on February 26. If he's comfortable promoting those two fights with only 10/9 weeks until those fights, then he will be even more comfortable with announcing Pacquiao late since he won't even have to promote it. Unlike multiple cities that those two did, Pacquiao/Mayweather would only need to stop at 1, maybe two 2 cities.

    Remember what Koncz said, "We won't need to go to the media. The media will come to us."

    Major Media outlets, like ESPN, CBS, Fox Sports, etc will talk about this so much, they'll be promoting the fight for the fighters. It doesn't NEED promoting. So, as long as they can have March, April to train, they are good. All of Feb can be used to negotiate if they really wanted. I wouldn't be surprised if they DO go till the end of Feb.


    Look at it this way: Each day past that is used to negotiate for The Fight is another day gone to promote a back-up plan B, which would need A LOT of promotion. So, if it is Feb 17 and they are still negotiating...you can trust that Mayweather is locked in for the fight, because the time to promote/convince fans of another fight is GONE. Not even including the factor that fans would be p**** and would need even more time than May 2 to get on board with different fight.

    So, as days go on, and they are still negotiating, that's a good sign. Because they are giving up VITAL promotional days for a back-up fight to continue the negotiations for The Fight, which I reiterate, wouldn't need any promotion really. It would be more for the fans pleasure than it would actually do anything.


    *****2) WHY IS BOB ARUM LYING?*******

    Here is your answer. Arum KNOWS he's lying. He is lying because he knows if he tells the world, fans what they WANT to hear (fight is done, contract is signed, networks have deal, etc), then it increases excitement and happiness in fans. In turn, it also increases the disappointment level exponentially if the fight fails because everyone was so excited about the fight being so close.

    This in turn applies more pressure on HBO/Showtime, Mayweather's Camp, because they know the more excited/happy the fans are, the consequences of it not being made are now that much more devastating.

    So, Arum lying is more-so to put pressure on everyone involved to get a deal than to just lie for no reason.

    Same can be said to why Pacquiao's entire camp were lying about a contract being signed. It was to put more pressure on Floyd to get this done. Think about it; what did Pacquiao's camp do by saying all that was left was Floyd's signature? He got millions of fans all around the world screaming at Floyd to sign the contract, hyped, begging. Now, Floyd's PR(Public Perception) is DESTROYED, so it didn't matter if it was a lie or not. Majority of the fans didn't accept the, "There's no contract," excuse. So, this lie put so much pressure on Floyd, basically backed him in a corner. Since the majority of the world was hyped up, believing Pacquiao's team's lie, it would make the consequence of backing out MONUMENTAL even though there was nothing to sign!!! It had to be extremely frustrating for Floyd because people were mad at him for not doing something he couldn't even do!! But, now he feels forced into trying to get a contract, so he wouldn't be the bad-guy not making the fight. In other words, Mayweather knew the world would bodybag him if he didn't "sign the contract", so Floyd was pressed into furthering these negotiations to get a contract so he wouldn't face the wrath/consequences of all the fans for not signing one.

    It was a ploy. Pacquiao's side used the lie to PUSH Floyd into negotiation. What if they sat back and said nothing? Then, Mayweather isn't really that motivated to continue. There's no hype, no reason. He could do what he wanted. But when you have millions all around the world pressuring you and threatening to boycott if you don't sign "the contract", it forces you to try and make a contract to avoid the consequences, backlash.

    Call it evil, dirty, whatever. It WORKED because now both sides are working hard to get an ACTUAL CONTRACT. Arum continues to lie, so he can continue the fans hype/excitement. This in turn makes everyone feel they really do HAVE to get this done for the sake of not receiving the world's disappointment/backlash.


    ******WHAT'S THE CURRENT STANDING OF NEGOTIATIONS?*******


    I don't know. Earlier this week, I was informed that there was 0 progress made. However, according to Espinoza, this isn't true.
    And regardless of what you think of him, he has been extremely truthful this entire process.

    Has there been progress?

    StephenEspinoza, "Making progress, but neither boxers/promoters have a deal yet."

    Exactly what was the progress made this week?

    Lance Pugmire, "Thursday, talks paused with James Brown as host, Jim Lampley doing play-by-play, Al Bernstein as lead ****yst. The talks broke (meaning paused until tomorrow) with Jim Gray and Max Kellerman (yay!) assigned to fighter interviews. Again, not final, but the plan as of now as one individual in the broadcast said, "There isn't a fight yet, is there?"


    So, negotiations CONTINUE. And it seems they've made significant progress. Arum said there are two issues left out of the four they wanted to be done this week. Can we believe him? Idk.

    The people that are pessimistic about this fight happening usually is because of the two reasons I mentioned above. I hope I answered any confusion.

    So, in conclusion, remember:
    1) Each day that passes is a day given to negotiating the fight, and a day gone for vital promoting for a back-up May 2nd fight. That's a GOOD thing because it shows each side is locked in on getting it done.
    2) Bob Arum lying is more-so for continuous added pressure to get the fight done by increasing our level of excitement/hope, not necessarily to cause drama(as frustrating as they may be).


    Peace!
     
  14. acr347

    acr347 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Makes sense on all points. I agree it is a good sign as we get into deeper waters. Good stuff bro.
     
  15. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    "gal" ;)
     
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