Is there a middleweight knockout that trumps this one?

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  1. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I need to watch that one again...Cheers.
     
  2. Foxy 01

    Foxy 01 Boxing Junkie banned

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    As it goes it was unexpected at the moment it occurred. Herol was 3 points up on 2 cards, 4 on the other, and totally schooling the hawk then BOOM.

    Plus in fairness Herol was considered durable at the time having only lost twice on points against MCCallum ,and Kalumbay.
     
  3. AlFrancis

    AlFrancis Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There are some good shouyts on here but I like the Sibson Minter one. Nobody over here expected that although Sibbo was given a chance of winning. I remember before the fight a report of Sibson breaking his punch bag and Minter saying punchbags don't punch back but Sibson just crushed Alan on the night. Minter had a great chin but that was a passing of the sword.
     
  4. red cobra

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    No sir, i really don't think so....I watched that fight live on Wide World of Sports and I'm as awed by it today as I was back then...it's one of the most underrated knockouts in boxing history because this was the Human Tank, Bennie Briscoe he was fighting, who was several years away from giving Marvin Hagler a very tough fight. Rodrigo Valdez is a very underrated great fighter whose misfortune was fighting in the same era as the greater Monzon.
     
  5. red cobra

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    I love SRR over Graziano...one of the most effortless, nonchalant ko's in history,...a thing of sheer beauty.
     
  6. Saad54

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    John Mugabi ko 1 Curtis Parker was shocking. Mugabi was a junior middleweight at the time and Parker had fought several top contenders like Sypion, Hamsho, Davison and had never been hurt in those fights. Mugabi absolutely obliterated him.
     
  7. burt bienstock

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    What about 1909 when Stanley Ketchell spotted Phil. Jack O'Brien about
    12 pounds and flattened O'Brien with a powerful right cross that put his head in the resin box for the 10 count. It has been said by the oldtimers who saw Stanley Ketchell fight, that ever after they could see no other one to compare
    as middleweights with the Michigan Assassin.
     
  8. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Cheers. I'm going to watch that one again very soon. It was a crazy KO.:good
     
  9. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Cheers Burt.
    I always envision Ketchel as the ultimate alley fighter...Would it be a crazy statement to say that Ketchel might have been quicker with the shift than Fitz? Not more powerful...but quicker pulling the trigger?
     
  10. dpw417

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    We agree. Valdez would be considered greater if Monzon had not been in his era. I think Valdez gives any middleweight with an aggressive, forward style, major trouble...
     
  11. red cobra

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    :dealThat 2nd fight with Briscoe would be all the rage had it happened in this day and age....like they rave about JMM's ko of Pac....Valdez was a killer that night with as truly formidable opponent in BB. What makes Monzon so impressive is that Valdez cracked him in the 2nd round of their rematch with a very similar punch and he bounced right back up.
     
  12. burt bienstock

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    dpw, today on ESB posters truly have LITTLE idea of the prowess
    of Stanley Ketchel, if any. Aside from two fights on film which still exists, the fight with Billy Papke in 1909 and his controversial loss to the 35-40 pound heavier Jack Johnson, also in 1909 when it is said Ketchel was hooked on opium and other debilitating vices, his skills are based on these two fights alone. What if todays posters saw films of the rampaging Ketchell
    showing him flattening 49 opponents, in spectacular fashion ?
    What would they think of him then ? What would posters 100 years hence think of Ray Robinson if the only films they saw was Robinson being battered by Ralph Tiger Jones or his loss to Randy Turpin in London ? My point is I have utmost faith that the vast majority of hardened boxing writers of Ketchell's time ,who raved about his savage punching, and endurance reported on the real Stanley Ketchel they saw, along with his patented shift. Same with Ruby Robert Fitz, whom we only see on hand cranked film today against Corbett when Fitz was 34 years old and when Fitz was an old 43 against Bill Lang. Intelligent observers should take all this in consideration when judging the merits of A Fitz and Stanley Ketchel. cheers.:good
     
  13. Vysotskyy

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    You can see Ketchel do some shifting in the Papke footage. It isn't his namesake double shift involving hooks though. You ever see my shifting breakdown video Bert i think you'd like it?

    [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrNLDYf8xSI[/url]

    7:40 single shift, falls short

    7:54 Fitz shift while backing up

    9:23 single shift, lands

    Here's my video i have Ketchel and Dempsey in there.

    [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vijD09_O8ek[/url]
     
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  15. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Excellent V. What a quartet of bangers, Fitz, Ketchel, Dempsey, Duran and last but not least Golovkin. I am convinced that their shifts came easily to them because of their great intent to do harm to their opponent in the least amount of time. I, an
    "oldtimer",criticized for favoring boxers of yore, am happy you include one of the most dangerous middleweight punchers of them all GGG. Though he hasn't met truly top middleweights through NO FAULT of his own, Golovkin and others can not be responsible for the date they were born. But he is the REAL DEAL.:good:good