Joe Calzaghe retired 46-0 (32) in 2008. Get over it. Fans & haters; quit trolling!

Oh this thread is turning out to be comedy gold op

Can't believe there are delusional fans that think Joe has a better Resume than Roy

 

KillSomething,

Please don't.

I've just listed my whole criteria, which I think is objective.

I've listed all the factors that I take into consideration.

You can't just focus solely on Roy's losses, and then point out that Joe never lost.

Those are factors that need addressing, but along with the other factors listed, and not just on their own.

Otherwise, a guy like Rocky Marciano would be classed as a better HW than Muhammad Ali, who had five losses on his resume.

I don't think so.

Being considered the best fighter on the planet across four weight divisions, is going to bring up more questions. That's only natural.

Of course Roy moving up to LHW was a bigger challenge. He couldn't fight Liles, Benn and Nardiello etc.

So who was left?

You can trace the history of any belt.

But how was unifying against Reggie, or beating Ruiz for the WBA title, less of an achievement than Joe winning Collins's old vacant WBO belt?

It's not about who was more deserving of a shot. It's the inconsistencies in your posts.

Joe defended that WBO belt over 20 times. He won it in a fight against a guy who'd left the division, who at the time, had been fighting at CW. Also, Eubank was preparing to fight Mark Prince at LHW, when on just ELEVEN days notice, he got the opportunity to fight Joe. This was a once very good-great fighter, who'd had no sparring, little time to prepare, and who's movement was hampered by knee injuries.

So all things considered, how was winning the belt in those circumstances, great?

How do you think it's different?

Roy had mandatory obligations from THREE organisations.

Also, those fights were across THREE divisions.

But he wasn't good enough to beat Lewis, Girard, and Branco etc.

I don't disrespect any fighters, but it's fair to say that he wasn't great.

Baileyesque.

Nigel Benn was finished at the top level when Malinga beat him. The other guys you've mentioned were all good, decent guys, but nothing more. Roy beat Eric Lucas easily, after playing a game of semi pro basketball on the day of the fight.

Jeff Lacy was a good fighter, but nothing special. He was hyped to death because of his build and his hook, and Joe was extremely underrated at the time in the U.S. because he was still relatively unknown outside of Europe.

Fine, they were won in the ring. But we know against who. Again, it's just circumstances.

Again, circumstances.

But is easily beating Reggie Johnson, not a bigger achievement than beating Manny Sciaca etc?

Is dominating Ruiz at 226 pounds, at 34, after 50 fights, not a bigger accomplishment than beating Lacy or Eubank?

Is dropping back from HW and burning muscle at almost 35, to fight Tarver to reclaim the LHW belts, whilst running on fumes for the last three rounds, not a bigger accomplishment than beating Kessler etc?

That was a joke. I agree.

 

Three years ago, I'd have been shocked.

But now, I expect it.

 

Have to give it to you Lou you fight the good fight but honestly no one will remember 43 out the 46 of Joe's opponents in yrs to come ..He stayed in one divison because he was really packing glass look at the journey men who dropped him ,yet this guy
is being defended like he had the resume and the chin of Hagler when cleary is not the case ..Seems more trolling than anything but respect for the good fight:good

 

cuchulain,

I don't ignore facts.

But statistics alone don't always allow for circumstances.

:good

I was looking as a whole.

Based on accomplishments, Joe is the GOAT at SMW.

But IMHO, Roy was the greatest fighter to ever fight at the weight.

I don't have anyone beating Roy at 25-26 in his absolute prime.

As above.

:good

 

It's all good fun.

:good

 

KS has brought the Roy hate to a new level.

I do think he is trolling though, and has put in a great effort.


He isn't funny though... I prefer someone like Headbanger or Serge trolling, they believe most of what they are saying yet are theatrical and bait you at the same time while being hilarious..:rofl

 

When's the Team Elite award ceremony?

This is my third year as a member.

If I don't get that Chappie dog food for the most deluded fanboy, I'm jacking it in!

I wasn't even nominated last year.

 

Always Brotha always ...:good (My bad Serge )

 

KillSomething,


List me all of Joe's best wins, with some detailed text if you wish.


I'll look at Roy's:


Bernard Hopkins (93) - Bernard wasn't prime, but he was 28 years old and well respected. It was Roy's first big fight, and he was eager to make up for lost time after his father had stifled his early career. He was just 24, and he'd also badly hurt his right hand. But because he'd missed out on those earlier bigger fights, he refused to postpone the fight. Roy won a comfortable decision, and Bernard remained undefeated for a further 12 years.

Thulani Malinga (93) - Malinga was a tough fighter who gave Eubank and Benn hard fights in the early 90's, before beating a faded Benn in 1996, and beating Robin Reid in 1997. Roy easily beat him, knocking him out in 6 rounds.

Thomas Tate (94) - The one and only defence of his IBF, MW title. Tate was by no means a great fighter, but he was decent, and he would go onto be a top ten ranked fighter at SMW, and was seen as a viable opponent for Joe Calzaghe in 2002, before pulling out through injury. Before he fought Roy, he'd gone the distance with Julian Jackson. Yet Roy knocked him out with a beautiful left hook in under just two rounds.

James Toney (94) - Toney was considered one of the best fighters in the world when Roy fought him in November of that year. He'd had a lot of trouble making weight, but he always had trouble making weight around that period. He was 26, undefeated, and coming off of very good-great win against Tim Littles. He had no answer for Roy's speed and timing, and was thoroughly outboxed.

Eric Lucas (96) - By no means a great fighter, but a decent fighter who went onto win a world title. Roy played semi pro basketball on the day of the fight, before treating the title fight as a sparring session, that ended with a retirement in the 11th round.

Montell Griffin (97) - A very good, defensive counterpuncher who was trained by the great Eddie Futch, gave Roy some problems in their first fight. But in the rematch, Roy was pi$$ed and was looking for revenge. In just the first round, he hit Montell with a lead uppercut that he couldn't recover from. The shot was a thing of beauty. It wasn't just an uppercut, but a lead uppercut that knocked him out, and Griffin weighed 180 plus pounds. A fantastic win in under three mins, against a good, underrated boxer.

Virgil Hill (98) - Virgil was past his best, and was coming off of a loss to Dariusz Michalczewski. But he was still a capable fighter. Roy knocked him out in just four rounds, with a devastating right hand body shot. Roy was the only guy in 57 fights, that ever stopped him, even though Virgil retired as a CW. Also, over two years after Roy had stopped him, Virgil knocked out Fabrice Tiozzio in just a single round.

Reggie Johnson (99) - Reggie was also past his best, but like Virgil Hill, he was still a capable fighter. Roy treat their fight like a sparring session, taking Reggie's IBF belt to unify the LHW division.

Julio Gonzalez (01) - Gonzalez was a decent fighter, and again, Roy made the fight look like a sparring session. Gonzalez would then go onto beat a faded Dariusz Michalczewski just a few years later.

Clinton Woods (02) - Woods was a decent fighter, who was made to look like a complete amateur. Roy toyed with him. Woods then went onto have three very close fights with Glen Johnson, and had wins over Julio Gonzalez.

John Ruiz (03) - John Ruiz wasn't a great HW. But he was a decent HW, who'd had three close fights with Evander Holyfield. He had a horrible style, but it was effective. Evander still had a little left in his tank during their fights, as he would prove when he suffered a controversial defeat to Nikolai Valuev, many years later, late in 2008. Ruiz weighed 226 pounds, and Roy weighed 196, and had fought as a JMW, 11 years earlier, in 1991. He was also 34 years of age, and had fought 48 times. Roy went onto beat him with absolute ease. Ruiz had no answer for Roy's speed. After Roy had beaten him on a near shut out, Ruiz went onto beat Hasim Rahman, Fres Oquendo, and Andrew Golota.

Antonio Tarver (03) - One of Roy's greatest wins. Tarver had chased Roy down for the fight, which included crashing the post Ruiz press conference. Tarver was a tall, rangy southpaw, who'd lost and beaten Harding, as well as beating Reggie Johnson and Montell Griffin. He was extremely motivated, much fresher than Roy, and posed a huge stylistic threat. To make weight, Roy had to burn actual muscle in a short space of time, dropping back from HW. Roy was almost 35, and had fought 59 times, to Tarver's 26. Roy pulled out the win, even though he was running on fumes for the last three rounds, due to complete exhaustion. In beating Tarver, Roy became only the second guy in history, to have won titles at MW, LHW, HW, before then dropping back to reclaim the LHW titles. All things considered, it was a great win.


Notable mentions include:


Vinny Pazienza (95) - Due to the incredible six punch combo that was thrown whilst walking forwards.

Richard Hall (00) - Roy gave a merciless beating to a hard hitting southpaw, who went onto give Dariusz Michalczewski difficulties in two fights.

Glen Kelly (02) - What professional fighter would back himself onto the ropes with his hands behind his back, to invite any professional 180 plus pound LHW near to him? An incredible knockout, that nobody else could have done.

Jeff Lacy (09) - Roy's last great performance. He beat a faded Lacy with absolute ease, at 40 years of age, well past his best.


:good

 

We'll be on here in years to come, discussing the same topics.

 

Sadly

 

Sosa (96) should be on there I think. Top 10, maybe even top 5 light heavyweight at the time. Considered at that time by some to have the best chin in boxing. Stopped a bit to soon? Maybe. But Jones was incredible in that fight.

 

Hill and Johnson weren't in their primes but far from shot they still manged to rack up some wins after their losses to Jones hell Hill ends up knocking out Tozzio and capturing the WBA CW crown ..Anyone else,does this you know how it is Lou their legacy gets better Jones beats them they are past their best..



Joe wished he had a resume as deep as Roy's ..

 

Good shout.

I've heard Roy say that Sosa was the toughest guy he fought.

I think it was stopped too soon, just because of how tough he was. But there were a lot of unanswered shots. Also, I seem to recall that HBO agreed with the referee's decision.