1991 James Toney vs GGG Golovkin right now

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  1. McGrain

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  2. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I can't see god almighty scoring a stoppage over Toney so its going to the cards.. I'll probably go with Golovkin by decision. The defeats to Montell Griffin leave me with doubts about James taking it, though I know that was in a different weight class
     
  3. cleming

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    Toney wide UD but great fight
     
  4. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Right now ?

    At what weight ? :D
     
  5. N_ N___

    N_ N___ Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Golovkin by decision, but walks through some horrifying counters.
     
  6. Ted Spoon

    Ted Spoon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    As things stand it's Golovkin's work rate that makes this a tricky question. His open guard and hunched posture is just the kind Toney enjoyed picking at, plus James' defensive brilliance on the ropes would derail the Kazakh's combos; intelligent as Golovkin's pressure is, Toney's movement was instinct at its finest.

    After missing with his best stuff Golovkin would probably settle with his jab, and that may cause trouble as Gennady also has a fine understanding of distance. It's by being aggressive though that Golovkin does his best work, offering plenty of counter opportunities. Particularly in a first encounter, I think Golovkin is going to have trouble adapting to someone so clever in comparison to those he's been crushing.

    If we take the Toney from McCallum II then I favour James to win a decision based on sharper work, leaving Golovkin with an unusually poor connect percentage.
     
  7. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Toney if he's at his best wins, he's just a talent and skill level above Golovkin
     
  8. Ted Spoon

    Ted Spoon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Oops, just noticed 1991. Still got Toney.
     
  9. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Once he lands flush on you I can't see any version of Toney surviving triple
    GGG's devastating combos. What does Golovkin have to do to impress some
    posters ? Of course nothing is certain except death and taxes, but I got triple GGG. Since Marvin Hagler fought, have I been more impressed with a
    middleweight. Give the man his due...
     
  10. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Toney outclasses him for a close but clear UD
     
  11. BEATDOWNZ

    BEATDOWNZ Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Oh man, for real?! James by a landslide!

    When James was 'on' he was spectacular.
     
  12. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Nothing. I think he's earned his dues. But Toney was never stopped in 90 fights despite facing plenty of hard hitters, highly skilled technicians, hall of famers, and men of many different weight classes.. That's not to say that Golovkin wouldn't beat him.. But I think a "decision" is a more accurate prediction than a "stoppage."
     
  13. Shake

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    Punchers usually don't do that well against tough, skilled boxers. However, Toney's output left something to be desired so there is a chance that Golovkin outworks him, even though James will be doing the flashy work.

    In the end, I think Golovkin fights a little too measured to drown Toney in activity. No knockdowns, 7-5 type fight for Toney.
     
  14. Flea Man

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    People will have an issue with Golovkin because he hasn't had the chance to prove himself against an elite talent (there aren't any at middleweight at present)

    If he were to move up and smash Ward to bits people would be more inclined to give GGG a chance.

    Personally, I like what I see from the Kazakh. But I'm firmly in the camp of 'show me how great you are against a great talent and I'll concede you're a great talent'.

    Toney via close decision. Not sure that Golovkin is far superior to Jirov, and fat Toney handled the pressure there and yes I'm well aware of the differences between GGG and Jirov, I'm not comparing them merely because they are both from Kazakhstan before anyone flips out.
     
  15. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    *Flipping out*

    Now let's get back to Walcott and his greatness eh Big Flea :)