1991 James Toney vs GGG Golovkin right now

And Joe Louis starting out never beat a HOF fighter
And Rocky Marciano starting out never beat a HOF fighter
So what ? Have you ever seen a young fighter and somehow recognized their potential greatness ? What do you in your infinite wisdom want GGG to do if EVERY MW avoids him like the plague ? Get a posse after them ? I have been watching boxing for a long time and seldom have I seen a destructive puncher as Golovkin is to the slats and to the head and I think he might be the real goods. And NO Toney was a tough and wily MW, but he sure was beatable...

 

I agree Burt. I think GGG would ko Toney over 15. I gotta tell ya, I think GGG would put a hurtin on Hagler maybe too. Marvin never fought anyone w/ the skill, BALANCE and the punch and punch placement of Golovkin. If Duran had everything he had at lightweight at middleweight, he would of truly hurt Hagler. GGG may also I think.

 

Based on what do you make this assertion? You have two guys, neither of whom have ever gone 15, one of them never even going past 10, and the guy who you predict to get knocked out has never been stopped in 90 fights.

 

, Toneys been in the ring with huge 250lb heavyweights, AND NEVER STOPPED, and this little 170 guy is gonna stop him!!:verysad..

Ummm not happening....

And Hagler I WON'T even go there...

GGG As it stands now is an Over-rated HBO hype job, who's been in the ring with the type of guys Toney sparred with back in the 90"s..

When he steps up to the plate and beats a Froch, or Ward, then I'll be a believer.

 

:good:good

Sometimes I don't even know where to start.

 

Simply going at this from a stylistic perspective it seems to me Golovkin would have to knock Toney out to win.Or drop him so often that he could win on points.

He's not got the outfighting skill to fence with Toney and contain him for stretches with skilled movement and educated jab, nor the speed advantage to do it with singular leads like Jones could.

He's not going to outland Toney in a slip and counter phonebooth infight by any means.

He needs to badly hurt him, put him into a shell or outright blast him out...and tbh Toney is by far one of the worst fighters you want to be facing at middleweight if those are the things you really need to do to win.

Golovkin is basically a middleweight Tszyu as a boxer-puncher.Good...excellent against certain styles and weaknesses even....but not as advanced, not as skilled or natural as Toney.

Personally going on the evidence of what we have from both i think it's a safer bet to see Toney eventually hurting, backing up and stopping Golovkin than there is of him being steamrolled or forced into a fight to survive shell.

The guy is immensely tough and relaxed as it gets in there.

An out of shape Toney would be outworked of course, but we all know that anyway without needing to debate about it surely.But this wouldn't be him fighting a supposed gimme defence like Tiberi, and if there was threat there, then James tended to show up in fighting shape at 160.

 

Best post I've thus far read on the topic.

 

^^

Agreed.

 

I think GGG has a special offense and I remember a fight Toney had with Dave Tiberi average puncher but went to James body well and James was hurt to the body several times. I dont think a head shot does it but GGG is a lethal body puncher and I can see him putting James in serious hurt with his body attack.


I can see a UD by GGG or a body attack stoppage for GGG, I think he is that good but time will tell

 

I think he is trying to get the fights but the others are reluctant. I dont blame them

 

In fact of the middleweights of that era, Toney would be the worst matchup for him imo.

A man that outskills him, has atg durability is bigger and more athletic at the weight and is a hard puncher that would-unless Golovkin turns out to be made of granite himself-have the power to stop him, or at the very least breed caution and respect.

Nunn and Benn would the top-tier\near top-tier guys i'd give him the best chance against from that era.

Nunn simply because he's an egomaniac that has a tendency to coast and take his eye of the ball.Could be a case of what kind of shape he's in.I'd bet a lot less in the post kalambay versions.

Benn because he can be hurt and stopped, doesn't pace himself well for 12 and lacks a technical skill advantage.I'd probably put money on Golovkin's greater precision and stamina here, but i'd be nervous as Benn is an offensive force vastly superior to any of the water carrying ordinary contenders and mediocrities GGG has beat so far.

 

Also, there are several middleweight big hitters just of the past few decades that were also skilled enough that could have looked like "the next coming" against the level of comp GGG has so far fought.

McLellan would have gone through these guys like Ghengis Khan at his peak.Sibson would look like Olivares against most of them.Benn would have crushed them all as well, albeit might have been rocked a few times.I doubt Don Lee, Lamar Parks etc would have much problems either.

Golovkin hasn't even beat anyone as good and durable as prime Doug Dewitt yet ffs.

 

@ Lora, I can see Mike McCallum posing some problems for Golovkin as well.

 

Yes. At 33 and not even having been at the top for very long, not to mention lacking in competition, he's not fixing to join the fraternity of Hagler, Hopkins, Robinson, or anyone of that sort.

 

a lot more than just "some problems" i'd imagine.Especially if you take the pre-first Toney fight version that still had a good amount of athleticism left.