Muhammad Ali is the Father of Boxing

True American.... a dying breed.

 

Good post :good

 

I suggest we stop responding to the OP if he does not apologize, or at LEAST totally reform his conduct.

He just arrived & is being verbally abusive, contemptuous, mistaken idea that a great boxer & world figure can be the "Father" of a sport whose origins & rules he did not help forge. He is malicious & irrational.

Again, I have Ali as my GOAT HW. And celebrate him in many ways. And condemn his vicious side.

But this kid-his reasoning is so primitive & extreme I assume he is very young-just insults & attacks all who disagree.

He cannot even distinguish between an opinion, like Ali is the greatest (fine to believe), & a "fact".
He does not SUPPORT his opinions with any facts, like the claim that the FOTC was fixed.

Excusing Ali from heinous conduct, & against all evidence of who Ali & Frazier were-& ironically would severaly limit Ali's greatness if true.

After calling me a whole bunch of names (easy & cowardly to do anonymously), he endlessly repeats his opinions are "facts" & actually says "Evidence is not needed when it's so simple to understand the obvious.".

Then we get constant name calling while repeating only belief with NO substance, NO details, yet continual attacks that myself & others no nothing about boxing.

His whole M.O. is exceedingly repetitive & superfiscial.

He did not understand I said he appears not to be a troll.
But he is either deeply immature & malicious...

&/or seriously mentally ill.

janitor. Like mr. magoo & choklab & a few others here, I deeply respect your boxing knowledge AND character.

But the fact that this seemingly mentally ill-or deeply immature-guy happens to correctly respect Ali's great telent & accomplishments...

Does not mean he has not jus' picjed a guy to over-identify with & personally attack good folks who were DECENT to him. RIght from the very start.

Things got much better here after the monitoring crack down.
if he keeps up the verbal abuse-or if folks like me even feel like reporting him-he will be gone soon.

But i suggest we set standards for decent conduct.
Unless he is respectful,do not reward crazy & childish conduct, ignore him.

I have not suggested this before, but right from the get go we have a case of Pathologies on Parade that will damage the quality of discourse around here & alienate some.

Otherwise we go down the Rabbit hole of being lowered to the level of a kid or man who is not well.

 

Burt, I will agree that Ali said some very heinous things, and his treatment of Frazier was awful. But trying to pass off him not wanting to be involved in the Vietnam War, as being disgraceful is pure nonsense. Vietnam was such a pointless war, wtf was accomplished by it?? In the end, Ali was right not to get involved with such a BS conflict. You can't even compare Vietnam to WW2. WW2 was totally necessary, those guys actually DID die for our freedom, and should be looked upon as heroes. Pretty much all wars from then on, haven't achieved anything of note. I do respect anyone who serves in the military, but blindly assuming everything they do is for our benefit just because an older generation DID do something for our benefit is just plain stupid.

And also picture yourself in Ali's shoes, why the hell would you want to fight for your country, when your country hates your guts and treats you and your ilk like second-class citizens?? I don't blame him for telling America to go f themselves.

 

It means something because there is only one at any given time.

Basically the daddy, the guy that everybody looks up to.

If Foreman should survive Ali as seems likely, he will probably become this figure.

 

You may be SUPERMAN on ESB, but in the complicated world of the Vietnam era, you are more like "Supergullible ". I don't know how darn old you are but those days Communism was on a rampage and greater minds than yours Mr Superman ,decided to try and thwart it's progress...Did it turn out as we wished, probably not,but as citizens we had to follow the law, not by
your misguided idol who represented the Nation of Islam, but by
people WE HAD ELECTED to guide us. So Ali your paragon of wisdom and worldly affairs refuses to obey the law while thousands of his race served knowing that to lose to are enemies
would be infinitely worse for them without a DOUBT. How long would a country exist if every citizen decided to obey only the laws that they wished??? Do you even care sir ? I doubt it...
This boxing site is not for political discussion, but I who lost friends and neighbors in WW2, and served when drafted as millions of others had to of every race and religion, must defend
this country of ours, and as my political idol Winston Churchill
said," Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all others". And somehow I will abide by Churchill's opinion, rather than yours...Good day...

 

Ali's draft problems were of his own making.

He was drafted. He then filed as a Conscientious Objector. Had he kept his mouth shut after that he would not have had a problem.
He would have been exempted from the draft as tens of thousands of men were.
His N.O.I. attorneys had told him to shut up about it and not make any public statements.

He was too stupid to resist running his mouth.
He made several public statement indicating he was not morally opposed to war, only THIS war.
This negated his claim as a Conscientious Objector.
He got exactly what he deserved.

As far as Ali being treated as a second class citizen, you don't know much about him.
He condoned racial discrimination and segregation. He spoke out in favor of it.
He spoke at Ku Klux Klan rallies as a friend and ally.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qUV3LIDu9A
Best renembered as a great boxer. He joined a militant Muslim brotherhood and was lucky to benefit from the polical climate turning frm pro to anti- war. I think he was a naive, young man, lacking education, he was an easy victim of progressive Muslim propaganda. He was´nt dumb and learned his lesson when in exile. Funny, how the Britts kept loving him even when new manager, Herbert Muhammed in 1966 appeared at his side and never let him forget to praise Elijah Muhammed and the Black Muslims.

 

Actually, he was dumb- dumb as a tree stump.
He failed the Army intelligence test twice. It is a ridiculously easy test. I took the same test he took and made 100%.
They showed drawings of a little boy and girl and asked you which was the female. That kind of stuff.
He has an IQ of about 60.
He is a marginal re****. He was barely functional.

 

You may be right. Einstein is another dummy - dumb in school. :nut

 

The Vietman war draft was wrong. Its not like our country was being attacked in its own shores or as if we were up against a Hitleresque aggressor. It was a political ****ing contest that proved to be for no good cause, and consequently 60 thousand American lives were taken along with close to 1 million vietnamese and God knows how many injured..

 

:good, Sweet..

 

I hate politics on a boxing site, but damned if I don't defend the country I love from people who despise this country to the point of having to criticize it on a boxing FORUM. Especially to ally yourself with someone across the pond who spouts lies about that era. I don't profess to interfere with the British political system as Mr Superman does to our system. During the Vietnam era the Civil Rights Law was IN EFFECT, and blacks were receiving their JUST RIGHTS by then. To say that Ali was a second class citizen by OUR government when he refused the draft is BS. You cannot blame the government if certain individuals are critical of the black rate of crimes in their neighborhood that create such anxiety to many white citizens
in the USA...So Mr Superman know the damn facts before you from 3000 miles away spout nonsense and incorrect facts.
As for you Magoo, sometimes by waiting to be ATTACKED it might be too late, as Communism was trying to get a foothold in various parts of the world, DIRECTED from Moscow...Look what
happened when Neville Chamberlain appeased Hitler allowing Germany to gobble up the Czecks, Poland, Belgium, rather then
stop Hitler before he came so powerful ?
The USA tried to stop the threat of Moscow spread of Communism
not for any rice paddies, or damn land but to prevent the
communist takeover of Asian country's...Give your country a break for gosh sake...

 

The wretched stench of communism wafted upon our sacred shores. We defended in response.

Contain. Contain. Contain.

God Bless John Wayne.

 

The key difference is most people agreed that WW2 was a neccesity whilst Vietnam was viewed as bull****.

http://www.shmoop.com/vietnam-war/statistics.html