Did Ezzard Charles have a weakness?

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  1. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Charles on film did not look like a safety first fighter vs Louis or Marciano. Nor did he look safety first vs Satterfield or Valentino.

    Try watching the films sometime.
     
  2. mcvey

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    I 've watched them and read the 1950,s accounts of his fights
    .As usual you speak from ignorance.

    Charles had no choice against Marciano but to engage, similar to Bugner v Frazier, but you haven't the intelligence to perceive that.
     
  3. Mendoza

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    Originally Posted by Mendoza View Post
    Charles on film did not look like a safety first fighter vs Louis or Marciano. Nor did he look safety first vs Satterfield or Valentino.

    Try watching the films sometime.

    You don't know what you are watching at times! We have seen that before here. :deal Please list ANY film where Charles is defensive from start to finish. You come back with junk. I listed four films and two of them were vs slower fighters where Charles didn't have to engage and attack, but did!

    Charles had very good offensive skills. You don't get a nickname like " the Cobra " unless you can strike with speed and accuracy as Charles did. Stop trying to paint Charles as Mike Nunn.
     
  4. mcvey

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    December 1951 The Ring. report of the Layne v Charles fight
    "No matter how the fight ends ,Ezzard Charles leaves the arena with the boos of the crowd."

    "In all his previous fights , he never displayed the killer instinct he did against Layne in the last two rounds".
    He appeared unlike the former champion who so often has been referred to as a listless ordinary fighter who can't get the support of the fans because he is a colorless battler."

    The Ring Editor.


    The 4th Walcott fight

    "This was a dull fight in contrast to the thriller last July 18 at Forbes Field when underdog Walcott won boxing's richest prize with a clean cut knockout. "

    "Ezzard fought cautiously, apparently biding his time for a fast finish, but never was able to nail old Joe for the crusher."
     
  5. jowcol

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    Truer words never spoken! :happy
    ATG? Yes, surely on the short list.
    And a kind, unassuming gentleman as well.
    I saw a TV commercial in the early 70's (I think) with Ezz in the ring in a wheelchair with his Lou Gehrig's affliction. It bought tears to my eyes.
    Great fighter and great man.
     
  6. Bummy Davis

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    Charles was a truly great fighter and an outstanding heavyweight Champion, his resume was deep. If he had any weakness it was his strength which is usually the case......Charles had intestinal fortitude
     
  7. burt bienstock

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    Because Ezzard who beat a Charley Burley twice when a MW, and other great LHs of the time, was a quiet dignified gentleman who let his damn fists do his talking was not a B.S. artist as Clay/Ali was he is considered dull and uninteresting by some. But not by me and others who think the world of the great
    EZZARD CHARLES. cheers j. On this forum I'm getting hammered from all sides, so Gratia !
     
  8. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    You're not getting hammered by me Burt, I'm merely quoting contemporary Ring magazines and their opinion of him.
    I have read an interview with Charles in which he complained bitterly about being disparaged by the press and public. I can remember him saying ," Foster wrote beautiful music but he had to die before it was appreciated"
     
  9. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I did a quick Google search and found very little about it other than it being a variant of his childhood nickname "Snookie", and that unsympathetic reporters had dug up that information and used "Snooks" disparagingly, not respectfully. Was Ezzard not really well liked by the press in his prime? :huh Why not?
     
  10. burt bienstock

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    Mc, I value your knowledge, but if the Ring wrote about the Rex Layne/ Ezzard Charles bout being uninspiring, well even Robinson won in
    controversial bouts. It should be remembered that Ezzard Charles was in his greatness, AND HE WAS GREAT, a LH who beat the greatest assortment of
    lightheavyweights in modern times, but to make dough Ezzard had to fight bigger heavier men. Plus it has been said that Charles was showing signs of the disease that killed him years before...Any man that can dominate so, so many great fighters as Ez did was not dull, but CLASSY...cheers
     
  11. mcvey

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    A great LHVY and an ATG P4P!
     
  12. JWSoats

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    While I can't really call it a weakness, Charles had to be deeply affected by the Baroudi tragedy, and this probably contributed to his more cautious style of fighting thereafter. Add in the fact that he was following the one and only Joe Louis as champion and later defeated him to gain universal recognition. And like it or not, the achievements of humble, unassuming, and quiet people often go overlooked.
     
  13. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    A great fighter , an all time pound for pound at light heavyweight , a respectable heavyweight champion for sure ..
     
  14. FastJab

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    Charles was the greatest light heavy IMO. It's too bad he was ducked like he was a human plague and didn't win the title. At Heavy his weakness was that he didn't have a "heavyweight body" and was knocked down and out a couple times because of it!
     
  15. HerolGee

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