Roy Jones Vs today's best fighters, across 6 divisions.

Loudon · Jun 22, 2013

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I actually think cycling has the right idea with the biopassport. While it certainly has flaws, it works on a couple of important principles:

1) Doping is widespread.
2) Conventional testing methods are an imperfect means of preventing this.

Essentially it's saying that we know you're going to cheat, but we're going to stop you from cheating too much. I don't think EPO use is anywhere near as big a problem in boxing, but it's the principle more than anything.

You can talk for hours about the logistics of implementing blood tests, costs, effectiveness etc. I honestly think that firstly the regulatory framework needs to be right for any methods to be effective. Boxing regulation is decentralised, and responsibility lies in the hands with alphabet governing bodies, athletic commissions, boards of control etc. There is little consistency and co-ordination between them, as illustrated by the Peterson farce.

A single, independent organisation set up to control the registration and suspension of boxers would be a massive step forward. It's also as likely to happen as Don King getting a short back and sides.

The other big change needed is in the mindset within the sport. There is very little stigma or negative consequences to getting caught, and mentalities are still very old school with regards to the benefits of PEDs and how widespread they are. Using Shane Mosley as an example, he admitted to using steroids and EPO for one of the biggest wins in his career against De La Hoya. Despite this, he remained a HBO poster boy and PPV attraction for years afterwards, no results were annulled, and he has retained his media good guy image. When the margins between success and failure are so small, and the consequences of getting caught minimal, I don't think you can villify the individual fighters and see it as a few cheats trying to get round the system.

Regardless of the measures used to monitor drug use, you need effective deterrents at the other end, both in terms of suspensions and earning potential. In athletics, the lucrative Diamond League used to prohibit anyone who had served a lengthy drug suspension. People could still compete after returning from a ban, but their earning potential was limited.

There should certainly be better testing methods, but this is just one part of a wider problem.
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Great post Momus, you've made some great points.

I agree with you that the first stage has to be, bringing in a single independent organisation.

If it was up to me, I would issue any fighter that was caught, with an immediate 5 year ban, to serve as a huge deterrent.

Like you say, the chances of this happening are slim to none.

There's that many pro fighters, it would be a hell of a job to randomly test each fighter more than once per year.

But as things stand, I can only see the issue getting worse.

Loudon · Nov 3, 2013

I've bumped this just for you Rico. Ha!

Loudon · Feb 16, 2015

Bump.

Imperial1 · Feb 16, 2015

Loudon said: ↑

I've bumped this just for you Rico. Ha!
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:good

Vanboxingfan · Feb 16, 2015

The fight I would have liked to see when Roy jumped to heavy was he against Byrd. I thought that would have been an interesting fight.

Loudon · Feb 19, 2015

Vanboxingfan said: ↑

The fight I would have liked to see when Roy jumped to heavy was he against Byrd. I thought that would have been an interesting fight.
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Yes, it would have been intriguing.

But I suspect that it would have been boring to a lot of people, with little action.

Rico Spadafora · Feb 19, 2015

Loudon said: ↑

I've bumped this just for you Rico. Ha!
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It is hilarious I will say that. Jones doesn't have the Chin to compete with a lot of the fighters you have listed. It is that simple. GGG for example would murder him. Literally. Kovalev would savagely KO him at Light Heavyweight. Wlad would put Roy in a coma with a Jab. I am scared to even think what Wlad's hook or straight right would do to Roy's tiny head? Do you watch Game of Thrones? It would be something like we saw when the Mountain fought The Viper :rofl

Loudon · Feb 19, 2015

Rico Spadafora said: ↑

It is hilarious I will say that. Jones doesn't have the Chin to compete with a lot of the fighters you have listed. It is that simple. GGG for example would murder him. Literally. Kovalev would savagely KO him at Light Heavyweight. Wlad would put Roy in a coma with a Jab. I am scared to even think what Wlad's hook or straight right would do to Roy's tiny head? Do you watch Game of Thrones? It would be something like we saw when the Mountain fought The Viper :rofl
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GGG would literally have murdered him?

Kov would have savagely knocked him out?

Based on WHAT?

Rico Spadafora · Feb 19, 2015

Loudon said: ↑

GGG would literally have murdered him?

Kov would have savagely knocked him out?

Based on WHAT?
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Based on Roy's Glass Jaw and his awful opposition during his career and what we saw far worse fighters than those 2 do to Roy? :huh

Jones doesn't have the Chin to hang in there and compete with savage punchers. It is why:

#1 he NEVER fought a savage puncher in his whole career yet still managed to get knocked down or KOed multiple times

#2 he avoided all the power punchers at 160,168, and 175, and Heavyweight. He moves up to Heavyweight and fights a guy that had zero skills and couldn't get any other fights because nobody wanted to fight for his paper WBA belt everyone wanted to fight THE champion Lennox Lewis. A quote from Dan Rafael:

Ruiz hasn't been able to land a significant fight since his trilogy with Evander Holyfield and had to look down in weight to find a big name. He plans to capitalize.
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UnleashtheFURY · Feb 19, 2015

How do you think Collins would fared against Jones, Rico? :think

Loudon · Feb 19, 2015

Rico Spadafora said: ↑

Based on Roy's Glass Jaw and his awful opposition during his career and what we saw far worse fighters than those 2 do to Roy? :huh

Jones doesn't have the Chin to hang in there and compete with savage punchers. It is why:

#1 he NEVER fought a savage puncher in his whole career yet still managed to get knocked down or KOed multiple times

#2 he avoided all the power punchers at 160,168, and 175, and Heavyweight. He moves up to Heavyweight and fights a guy that had zero skills and couldn't get any other fights because nobody wanted to fight for his paper WBA belt everyone wanted to fight THE champion Lennox Lewis. A quote from Dan Rafeal.
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So GGG and Kov would have murdered him, based on the fact that he had a bad chin? Guess what Einstein? They'd have needed to have found it first.

He never fought a savage puncher, which means he'd automatically have been knocked out by one?

He fought Ruiz, which again means that GGG and Kov would have murdered him?

atsch

UnleashtheFURY · Feb 19, 2015

Loudon said: ↑

So GGG and Kov would have murdered him, based on the fact that he had a bad chin? Guess what Einstein? They'd have needed to have found it first.

He never fought a savage puncher, which means he'd automatically have been knocked out by one?

He fought Ruiz, which again means that GGG and Kov would have murdered him?

atsch

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Since when was Ruiz a savage puncher lol???? atsch

Rico Spadafora · Feb 19, 2015

Loudon said: ↑

So GGG and Kov would have murdered him, based on the fact that he had a bad chin? Guess what Einstein? They'd have needed to have found it first.

He never fought a savage puncher, which means he'd automatically have been knocked out by one?

He fought Ruiz, which again means that GGG and Kov would have murdered him?

atsch

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From that same USA Today article:

For years, Jones has been dubbed "Reluctant Roy" because despite otherworldly talent he's shown an unwillingness to seek out significant challenges. He's been content making mandatory defenses vs. soft challengers for fat $5 million paychecks, courtesy of an HBO contract.
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People know what was really going on at the time your woulda, shoulda, coulda Jones fanboy revisionist history is meaningless. Boxing writers knew Jones was not only ripping off the fans but HBO also.

Rico Spadafora · Feb 19, 2015

UnleashtheFURY said: ↑

Since when was Ruiz a savage puncher lol???? atsch
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You are talking to a guy that thinks Roy would beat Ali. He is delusional and I suspect has some form of disorder such as Aspergers or Autism.

UnleashtheFURY · Feb 19, 2015

Rico Spadafora said: ↑

You are talking to a guy that thinks Roy would beat Ali. He is delusional and I suspect has some form of disorder such as Aspergers or Autism.
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