Roy Jones Vs today's best fighters, across 6 divisions.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Loudon, Jun 16, 2013.


  1. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    The post fight Frazier interview doesn't say it all.

    That was just one period of Roy's career where HBO and everyone else were extremely frustrated.

    But you can't just focus solely on that.

    You have to look at what had happened prior to that, and what happened after that.

    Prior to that, HBO publicly backed Roy, when they tried and failed to make him fights against Benn and Liles etc.

    http://youtu.be/4TPjvtASn0c


    During the Frazier interview, HBO wanted him to fight either Dariusz M, Hopkins II, Telesco, or Reggie Johnson next.

    He then went on to fight Reggie Johnson and David Telesco. So HBO were happy. Then along with Roy's advisors, HBO tried to make the Dariusz M fight as well as the Hopkins rematch. I'm sure you must have seen the Dariusz links by now? Kerry Davis did all he could to bring Dariusz to the U.S.


    Here's a link regarding Hopkins:

    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/boxing/stories/2002-07-10-jones-hopkins.htm

    So Dan Rafael contradicted himself.

    Oops!

    It's not looking good for Rico.

    But I guess that he'll just ignore this article of Dan's, and just concentrate on his previous one.

    :lol:


    After fights with Dariusz and Hopkins failed to materialise, Roy ended up fighting John Ruiz and Antonio Tarver, that HBO were more than happy with.


    So again, you have to look at the whole picture, and take many factors into consideration.

    Don't be like Rico, and focus on the Frazier interview, whilst completely ignoring the Brannon one.

    Because he just embarrasses himself by doing that.


    :good
     
  2. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    HBO gave Jones a 3 year 9 fight contract immediately after the Hill fight (you know the Hill that DM had already beat?) wishing/hoping/thinking (Loudon's favorite word :lol:) that Jones would man up and fight DM. Jones even delivered on the promise of creating a website and letting the fans vote and said he would fight the winner. Well, lo and behold DM won the internet poll. Jones didn't fight him. He went on to have such disgraceful fights such as Otis Grant, Rich Frazier, Gonzalez, Harmon, Grant, Kelly, and Clinton Woods. HBO then decided after Roy lied/tricked/fooled them that they were no longer going to offer these types of deals to ANY fighter. Period. Roy fought such awful fights that HBO decided to never offer long term deals to anyone. Do you understand how embarrassing that is? :huh
     
  3. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    He'd have gotten zero credit.

    Who was at CW back then?
     
  4. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    No.

    :patsch
     
  5. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    Roy did what he always did and that was fight the easiest of the 4 fights mentioned which were Johnson and Telesco therefore avoiding the tougher fights in DM and Hopkins. That was nothing new and HBO was certainly not happy about it.
     
  6. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    You're so predictable.

    You answer questions, by asking more questions.

    :patsch


    You have failed to address any of my points.

    Now answer this very SIMPLE question for me:


    How can you support this:

    http://youtu.be/G0Erh4RKbHE


    But not this:

    http://youtu.be/4TPjvtASn0c


    ??


    HBO asked him to fight Dariusz?

    Kerry Davis, VP for HBO, PUBLICLY stated his frustration of trying to land the network the fight. He did everything he could, even coming up with the idea of a double header, which he had to fax to Germany, because Kohl wouldn't take his calls at the time.

    Roy DID NOT refuse to fight Dariusz. He refused to go to Germany. And why should he have put all three of the main belts on the line against Dariusz's lightly regarded WBO, in Germany, when this had happened:

    http://youtu.be/jjfhvs5vidI

    ??

    Answer that.

    That was a f*cking disgrace!

    Look at 'THE' LHW champ staggering all over the ring.

    If Roy had done that, you'd have shredded him on here.

    It was absolute BS!

    F*ck going to Germany!


    Regarding Dan Rafael's interview, he OBVIOUSLY didn't know all of the facts at the time.

    But you can see in the article that I've posted, where he speaks of how Roy TRIED to make the Hopkins rematch.

    You've completely shot yourself in the foot right there.

    So are you going to take into consideration BOTH USA Today articles, or only the one that you have posted??


    :hi:
     
  7. Foxy 01

    Foxy 01 Boxing Junkie banned

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    That is a bit OTT Rico.

    However he is so starstruck and gullible I can see young Loudon sitting there convincing himself Roid beats Ray Robinson and Marvin Hagler.:rofl:rofl

    Just imagine Hagler chomping at the bit, punching his own face the way he used to, and thinking hurry up and ring that fvcking bell and let me hurt this fool.

    The first big punch that Tommy managed to take and it is ALL over for Jones.

    As for SRR, he might lose by falling over laughing at this dancing clown with his hands low, and his chin hanging out to be punched.

    That's about the only way. You would need to be even more stupid than a moron to believe, anyone, and everyone he fought up to and including Tate, combined, was fit to carry the jock straps of Robinson or Hagler.

    That just might give you a clue, as the value of Jones fan boys, and their weird beliefs.
     
  8. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    :rofl

    :patsch
     
  9. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    :lol:

    Poor Rico.

    :patsch
     
  10. Ilikeboxing

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    Can you tell me who
    Jones beat at MW who was on GGG's level?
    Don't say Green as **** Hopkins.

    Again, if you think Toney is better than Ward, that's up to you.
    I don't and i believe Ward would give Jones nightmares.

    He's beat nobody on Kovalev's level at LH
    He beat nobody at Cruiserweight of note.
    I'm not going to even mention his stint at HW
    Hahah
     
  11. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    :good
     
  12. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    Roy had no issues fighting Ruiz who had on MULTIPLE occasions faked low blows to:

    get Kirk Johnson disqualified and 'win'

    avoid not only a legit knockdown but what was a KO by Holyfield.

    So spare me the crying about Germany and this doesn't even take into consideration how Jay Nady mysteriously was the referee for the Ruiz fight and in the very first round told Ruiz to stop mauling and clinching Jones or he would take points :rofl

    That was Ruiz whole offense. He was then relegated to being a sitting duck in the middle of the ring because Ruiz had no skills, power, speed, footwork, headmovement or any other attribute to win the fight so Jones pot shotted his way to a UD where in several rounds he either:

    threw in the single digits or landed in the single digits according to compubox. Explain that to me. :hi:
     
  13. Foxy 01

    Foxy 01 Boxing Junkie banned

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    You are doing it again. Trying to portray your subjective spin as objective fact. HBO ( just like any other BUSINESS ) endorsing the words, and or, actions of a person they have on a signed contract is NOT EVIDENCE. It is propaganda, and you being an intelligent guy, like any other intelligent guy know that to be true.

    So stop with the patronising bullsh*t, as that isn't the real you either.:good

    What you should be more concerned with is the few times that they became so frustrated with him that felt compelled to air their greviances publicly.
     
  14. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    Prime Roy did not fight anyone with the savage power, poise, or patience that Kovalev has. Roy would get that pea head knocked clean off his shoulders. Kovalev is not some civil servant bum like Glen Kelly or Richard Hall or Richard Frazier.
     
  15. kirk

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    We disagree on who he would beat, but youve done a good job backing your view on him not ducking certain fighters, loudon :good