A question to Roy Jones Jnr fans about his win over J Toney

Yes, Prince Charles Williams was a former LHW champion that came down in weight, he was still highly regarded at the time. And that knockout was a highlight reel KO.

 

Oh look, it's another thinly-veiled slappy thread by Bailey.

 

spoken like a consummate hater. Well done.

 

That is literally spot on as to how bailey would talk about it :good

 

Haven't checked the subsequent comments but the original post is a masterpiece of spin and one-eyedness. Feels to me a little symptomatic of the 'lose one fight and you've been exposed' view that a lot of fans take these days.

Toney had a short amateur career - 24 fights only, which included no titles. He was still very much learning on the job in the early stages in his pro career so the odd draw with a decent pro like Williams or a split decisions against someone like Sosa, himself unbeaten and considered a prospect at the time, is hardly a disgrace.

He was still only 22 when he boxed Nunn, the same Nunn who'd looked on course to become one of the greatest Middleweights of all time up until that point and whose record overall doesn't do his talent justice. A young Toney having issues against a fighter as brilliant as a 1991 version of Nunn is hardly a disgrace, and besides, it gets overplayed how badly Toney was struggling in that bout before the eleventh round. He was the better man after the half way point and had a fair bit of success in the rounds leading up to the eleventh, although him being behind by a round or two before then was still fair enough. But certainly not the out-of-the-blue turnaround it's often portrayed as, and I'll stress again, Nunn was showing the signs of true greatness back then.

Tough fight (which I thought he just about did enough to win by virtue of his burst in the final two rounds) against Johnson, but apart from Roy, who ever had an easy night with Reggie back then? Johnson was mightily unlucky to drop decisions to Castro (the first one was an out and out shocker) and John David Jackson (I had Reggie winning by two-three). Most felt that Toney beat McCallum in that first drawn fight (me included, and he had Mike out on his feet at the end) and it was a fantastic, technical boxing match, and don't forget that McCallum was the favourite beforehand as some still felt that Toney was just a loud mouth who got lucky against Nunn. The draw with McCallum and the overall quality of his performance in the fight was the point at which Toney's doubters had to start acknowledging his right to belong at the very highest level, as evidenced by his 1991 Ring Magazine 'Fighter of the Year' award given to him shortly afterwards.

Have to hold my hands up to the Tiberi fight. A complete shocker and the decision was a disgrace. But that was only one fight and the only real performance of Toney's that was a really poor one prior to meeting Jones. Certainly doesn't wipe out all that went before or all that came after.

So yes, Toney's Middleweight form was patchy, but when you factor in how young he was when he stepped up to title level after a short amateur career, how good his opposition was and how frequently he was squaring off against high-calibre fighters (Sosa, Nunn, Reggie Johnson and McCallum x 2 were all accommodated in the space of just 19 months), I don't see any real cause for shame in that.

That was 160 - Jones faced him at 168 which seemed to suit Toney more and where he'd left those inconsistencies and struggles behind and hit the best form of his life. He was punch perfect against Barkley, clinical under the most urgent and demanding circumstances against Littles and put on an excellent show against Williams with a highlight-reel KO to put the icing on it. If indeed one judge really did have him behind after 11 rounds against Prince Charles, it says more about that judge's incompetence than it does about Toney's performance, which was very good.

So basically, while Toney had shown signs of inconsistency, he wasn't showing them when he signed to fight Jones. 1993/1994 was the best Toney had ever been and he's never been as good since.

And it wasn't just the fact that Jones beat him, it was how he beat him. Complete domination. A world class fighter with defining moments still ahead of him made to look like he'd never been in a boxing ring before. In most of Toney's 'off nights', even if he's lost, there's been debate about who the real victor was (Johnson, Griffin x 2 etc). But Jones completely wiped him out and outclassed him in a way that nobody else did until 2011, by which time Toney was 43 years old.

It was an absolutely sensational win and superb performance by Jones, a real indicator of what a frightening talent he was. There was, and still is, every reason for fans to be blown away by it.

 

Excellent post :good

 

This thread just ended.

 

I'm surprised it took the moron a WHOLE 5 POSTS before he started crying like a baby about Joe Calzaghe.

Surprised he didn't jump straight in when Bailey started the thread. Do you think he might be Roid Jones' unpaid gofer, scouring the internet, looking for posts about the steroid cheat and typing Calzaghe, Calzaghe as fast as his little fingers will go, when he finds one?:rofl:rofl:rofl

 

This pretty much clears everything up.

Great Post.:good

 

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Someone go and grab bailey, let him know his thread has just been completely shut down.

 

:deal

 

Why are you obsessing about Joe Calzaghe in a thread that has fvck all to do with him?:rofl:rofl

 

I woudn't have minded had Toney dropped a fight to McCallum or Nunn, Toney's MW opposition was extremely tough.