Joe Calzaghe retired 46-0 (32) in 2008. Get over it. Fans & haters; quit trolling!

His 2 best victories

38 years old Jones (Has been stopped few times before)
42 years old Hopkins (Controversial split decision)

 

You forget to note that Calzaghe was a faded later 30s fighter also, who was closer to the end of his career than both of those fighters and who was fighting away having just come up in weight.
Still if you feel that they were his best wins, doesnt that look bad on fighters like Ward, Kovalev, Dawson and several others today

 

Kovalev will stop Adonis within 5 rounds. The restraint and over-respect he showed Hopkins will be missing. This will be a power display for Kovalev.

 

How would the above read, if you'd viewed things in the same manner as how you've viewed James Toney's resume in your other thread?

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1. Statistics don't allow for circumstances.

2. If I wanted to, I could debate in the same manner as you and Bailey often do, and absolutely shred what he's wrote. I could pull it to bits within a matter of minutes.

 

Yep keeping calling a professional boxer a coward while you sit behind the comfort of your keyboard you damn b*tch. It just shows that your a troll who dksab..

 

FOOL.

Who are you to say which are his best wins. They ALL count, that is why it is called WINNING.

46 - 0.


So if we are going down that road, are we saying that Roid Jones' wins against Byrd, Pazienza ( at Lightweight ) Thornton, Frazier, and Hall don't mean sh&t because they had all been stopped before he fought them?

I mean you wouldn't want to be accused of double standards now would you?:rofl:rofl

 

There would be losses to note, never being the fully recognised champ to note, not unifing to note etc

 

Loudon, I know this is a bit of baiting and fair play, but you dont answer questions, post from opinion etc.
You have not been able to tear anything to shreds, you post long waffling posts rather than getting to the point, which is often avoided. You also accuse others of using stats and then use stats to suit your arguements. Casing point when saying Ward fought Dawson instead of Bute and using stats in their heights and reach etc atsch.

Why did you duck the questions on the Jones win over Toney?

 

He is clueless, but as well as that, he posts completely irrelevant posts, he is an irrelevant poster and ducks questions. I really wasted too much time on an irrelevant poster, and advise you to not waste time on a nothing poster

 

Circumstances are no more than opinion. You can't rip to shreds what Bailey wrote regarding Calzaghe's record, because they are factual statistics.

Whatever you wrote to try to counter those statistics would be opinion, and therefore futile.

Much like your case for everyone of Jones KO defeats. It is futile, because the FACTS speak for themselves.

A TKO defeat is a TKO defeat, and KO defeat is just that. Circumstances count for nothing, unless of course they work both ways. Fan boys tend NOT to believe circumstances work both ways.

Hence the saying fan boys.

Edit.

I do apologise. I believe Bailey might have claimed that Joe's 2 Light Heavy fights were title fights. As far as I'm aware they weren't.

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No, you've misunderstood me. I'm talking about your post highlighting Joe's achievements.

You've listed all of his statistics, which looks highly impressive.

But what I'm saying is, if you viewed those statistics in the same manner as how you've viewed Toney's career, they wouldn't appear as great.

Do you understand.

Just go back to your other thread, and look at your negativity.

If I viewed Joe's career in the same way as you've viewed Toney's, I could say things such as:

Joe scr*ped past a 43 year old fighter.

He scr*ped past Robin Reid who was beaten by Branco immediately afterwards.

He beat a faded Eubank who had bad knees, who hadn't won at SMW for three years.

Etc.


You see?

I could turn all the positives into negatives like what you've done with Toney.

 

As per my previous post.

I've given you examples of how I could tear your thread to shreds, if I debated in the same manner as you have done on the Toney thread.

Basically:

If you like a fighter, you hype his achievements.

But if you don't, you just look at all the negatives.


Regarding stats, stats are great if you use them in the right way. But you don't use them in the right way. Because you never allow for circumstances and consider all factors.

Regarding my opinion, my opinions are always based on logic.

I said that in my honest opinion, Andre Ward wasn't scared of Lucian Bute. Because after Foch had beaten Bute, Andre went and fought Dawson who was just as big, who was also a southpaw, and who was more proven, with better wins on his resume.

That is an opinion based on logic.

 

This is what Bailey wrote in his opening post.

- drawn with S Williams
- been taken to a SD by M Sosa
- was behind against M Nunn before the finish
- was taken to a SD by R Johnson
- drawn with M McCallum
- had a SD with Tiberi where some felt he lost
- a MDec with McCallum


The only OPINION he has offered was about the Tiberi fight " where some felt he lost "

If you can't see the difference between that and what you are saying about Calzaghe, it is because you don't WANT to.

Furthermore it is also pretty obvious if the sh*t you are trying to devalue Calzaghe's career with had gone the other way, he wouldn't be 46 - 0 now would he?

 

You seem to be missing the point.

Go and read what he's wrote about Toney on the other thread.

Everything he's wrote is from a purely negative viewpoint.

What I'm saying is, If I an*lysed Joe's career in the exact same manner as how he's an*lysed Toney's, it wouldn't look that great.

There's countless examples to give.


Circumstances count for EVERYTHING.

They have to be looked at objectively. Because if they aren't, Boxrec will tell you that Trevor Berbick was a better fighter than Muhammad Ali.


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