James Toney's losses

He benefitted from the scorecards blatantly in one fight for sure obviously the Tibieri fight. The Terry McGroom fight is arguable to a certain extent.

I do agree though in that I scored all of the fights posted for Toney. Griffin I was close, but Toney was the more effective puncher. Griffin II was a joke. Toney wasn't good against Thadzi but again he should have squeaked it out due to clean punching. Thank you Don King for Peter I.

I also thought he won McCallum I fairly clearly as a sidenote. McCallum II was a closer fight but he got the right scores there. You don't have an iron chinned guy like Mike that close to a stoppage at the end of 12 without accumulating a fair amount of hard shots.

 

It's not Toney's style, it's his output. You can't win 30 seconds of a round and coast and spoil the rest and expect to take it without a KD.

He lost Tiberi, Griffin, Thadzi and Peter fairly emphatically. Those guys didn't let him rest and made him fight the entire round.

 

Peter outthrew Toney 637 to 446 and outlanded Toney 259 to 164.

 

Are we talking about the first fight? I had Toney winning that. But shame on him for being fat. Also, Peter was throwing ridiculous amateurish punches so I'd take the numbers with a grain of salt.

 

My bad. Second fight. I thought Peter hurt him a few times, also. James didn't seem to have any answers at that point.

First one was close, tho. Not a robbery but I wouldn't call anyone out for scoring for Toney.

I haven't seen the Thadzi bout since it happened. It was just a really poor, uninspired performance. I had no problem with the decision.

 

I thought Toney won both of the Griffin bouts, but I don't remember having much issue with the Thadzi bout, or the first fight with Peter. However, seeing as others have brought up some of his wins that could have went the other way, I should note that I thought Reggie Johnson beat him fairly clearly.

 

Not even. Even if you score that a victory for Johnson it wasn't clear. That's basically every Johnson loss too. He doesn't ever do enough to score decisive victory, unless its a stoppage.

Also a sidenote, accumulating punches that have no effect is meaningless. I really don't score pillow jabs that land on the beltline i.e. Mike McCallum and Reggie Johnson.

 

He really didn't lose any of those fights emphatically. Also you contradicted yourself. So, if he's coasting for the majority of a round, thats why he's losing? Or is it because his opponents are pressuring him and making him fight the full round which he's not used to? Which one is it?

Also pressure means nothing when you aren't landing punches. You should never get credit for having to throw hundreds more punches than your opponent to even match the amount of effective punching they do. You actually pointed out how Toney usually deals with that style. Doesn't waste energy trying to move away from a constantly come-forward opponent, is comfortable laying on the ropes if he's pressed there and breaks the opponent down with effective counterpunching.

Also really not a good idea to pull compubox or punchstats with Toney. Compubox had Michael Nunn landing 281 out of 521 through 7 rounds...

 

They were close fights... and so were-

Toney vs. S. Williams I

Toney vs. M. Sosa

Toney vs. R. Johnson

Toney vs. M. McCallum I, II, and even III

...and he definitely should have lost the D. Tiberi fight.

:deal