Official Prediction Thread: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Manny Pacquiao

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  1. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  4. angelos

    angelos Well-Known Member Full Member

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    So Pacquiao has the same boxing skills and iQ as Hatton now? :rofl
    The fact is Floyds level has also dipped a lot since that Hatton fight which might become a big factor in this fight. 2 to 6 years ago i would have said that Pacs chance is only 10-20%.. Now it has gone up to 40% which is quite good of a chance.
     
  5. victor879

    victor879 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bump. Just keeping our official poll live. We don't need 100 more popping up. :lol:
     
  6. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    So picking Mayweather by a late TKO is trolling? :-(

    Mayweather is the bigger fighter, the more precise puncher especially with the lead right hand and leaping short left hook he has a higher Ring IQ better Defense but it is trolling to say he grinds down a guy who just had his Chin Shattered into a billion pieces and has been fighting complete feather fisted and stationary opponents since then? As far as a 'sucker punch' if that was the case he would have been DQed. You are told in the dressing room AND before the fight in the ring by the referee to PROTECT YOURSELF AT ALL TIMES! Wouldn't expect you to know that though :lol::rofl
     
  7. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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  8. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    No that wouldn't be trolling, troll.

    I'll illustrate for you, since you seem a little slow on the uptake.


    Your troll post:


    Legit non-troll prediction:


    This content is protected



    See the difference ?

    Probably not.

    You've been (accurately) pegged by most on here as a chin-checking troll, and the mantle fits so closely that you might even be unaware of it.

    Are you still banned from the classic for trolling ?


    Yeah, yeah we know...

    It was a legal punch, but it was still characterized by the commentators and most since as a sucker punch.

    Regardless, given its circumstances, it can not in any way be used as an illustration of Floyd's KO capability.

    Which is what you were trying to do.

    Still clueless.
     
  9. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    #1. I have never 'trolled' on the Classic Forum I was told not to post there by which I cleared up with another mod. So no I am not banned.

    #2. Pacquiao has clearly been coddled since the KO. Saying otherwise is actually 'trolling'.

    #3. Because I recognize the importance of punch resistance that does not make me a 'troll'. It matters and is an attribute just like power, stamina, Ring IQ, heart, etc.

    You seem not to be able to handle differencing thoughts/opinions/ideas other than your own which is a problem within itself. I clearly laid out why I think Mayweather wins. You might not agree and that is OK but it isn't trolling since you don't agree with it so get that straight.

    I am willing to put my boxing knowledge and the amount of fights I have seen in person and on DVD up against anyone on here.
     
  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    You are.
     
  11. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    Sorry, not according to another mod on here I am not. :lol:

    I haven't trolled on there. Ever.
     
  12. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Unless the other mod was one of the owners, it doesn't matter.

    I absolutely guarantee you that if you post on Classic you will be banned.


    I absolutely guarantee you that if I ban you, neither kirk, prof, IB or kirk will unban you without my permission.

    Which I will not give.
     
  13. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    :lol::lol::lol:

    This is hilarious on so many levels. Is this real life?
     
  14. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    In the opinion of many, including at least one Mod, you have !

    And are.

    This opinion illustrates my earlier point that you don't properly understand the term.

    No, your obsession with chins does not, in and of itself, make you a troll. It makes you a (self-styled) chin-checker. And while I don't hold that particular brigade in very high esteem, they are not necessarily trolls.

    Of course chin (whiskers, beard, Jaw, mandible...) is important.

    Khan, Wlad, Hearns and others might have had substantially different careers had they had better chins.

    And Ali, Holmes, Hagler... and others, owed some of their success to having very good chins.


    But it is but ONE attribute of a boxer's overall tool kit, along with speed, power, footwork, experience, ring IQ, heart, timing, accuracy etc.

    And when a chin checker (like you) obsesses on this one aspect in question here, denigrating in pejorative terms (fraud, bum, etc.) those they believe to be lacking in this department, they enter the realm of the trolls.

    I've explained to you already, how you might legitimately offer your prediction without trolling. You don't seem to get it, though.


    Show me some evidence of this ?


    You're as thick a a fukcin' brick, lad.

    I understand why you think Floyd wins and I stated that it was a legitimate take.

    FFS, if I didn't think it was a legitimate possible prediction, would I have put it as an option in the poll ?


    ( BTW, in just about every post I have made on this topic (probably hundreds since 2009), I have stated that Floyd would be more likely to take this than Pac. I haven't given it much thought of late as I had concluded the fight was not going to happen. I will make a prediction closer to May.)



    I've been following the sport quite probably since before you were born, but that is not the issue here.


    I'm not disputing your 'boxing knowledge.'

    It's your obsession with chins and your trolling obsessiveness on the subject that's at issue.
     
  15. leftleftright

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    I have to agree with you. I don't see feints playing a huge part in the fight. Pac doesn't really react to feints. His most used defensive asset is his feet. He moves into range tries to land big shots and then moves out of range.


    Disagree here. Pac is not highly deceptive. If Pac cannot physically overwhelm his opponent with foot speed and/or power he has nothing else to fall back on. Everyone says it took JMM 4 fights to KO Pac, but it only took him 4 minutes to know everything Pac was doing. By the middle of the second round in their 1st fight, after being on his butt 3 times, JMM had Pac figured out. He knew when he was coming in and how to counter it.

    The concept that Mayweather has trouble with soutpaws is urban legend. Mayweather had issues with the southpaw stance against one fighter -- Reggie Sanders. That was his second fight. The issues Mayweather had with Judah had more to do with Floyd fighting on the front foot and Judah being a good athletic counter puncher. Floyd does not fight as well moving forward, he even got caught by Sharmba Mitchell a few times cause he was moving forward. He is a cautious defensive fighter by nature, that doesn't bode well on the front foot.

    There were no issues with Corley. Corley caught him with a good shot but got blanked 12-0. The hardest Floyd has been hit was against orthodox fighters (Mosely, Maidana II).

    Maidana bothered Floyd because of his stamina. Floyd was slipping all of Maidana's shots beginning round 1. But because Maidana was constantly throwing hard shots, he wasn't giving Floyd many counter opportunities. It had nothing to do with what Maidana was throwing, it had everything to do with the fact that he wasn't slowing down. People who have never been in the ring underestimate stamina. Floyd did the smartest thing with Maidana, he let him throw all those shots, miss most of them and tried to get Maidana punched out. That was his plan rounds 1 and 2. Maidana was in phenomenal shape and didn't slow as much as Floyd thought he would.

    Completely disagree. Pac is repetitive and not deceptive, everyone knows nearly exactly what he is going to do and when he is going to do it. Some have the physical attributes to do something about it (JMM, First Morales), others don't (Rios). If Pac cannot physically overwhelm his opponent he has nothing else he can use to beat a world class fighter.

    On the rest of your post, I agree that clinching will not be a major factor in this fight. The Philly Shell is irrelevant, it is one of thousands of defensive tools Floyd has. He may or may not use it.

    A better Pacquiao fought Clottey and never hurt him. 38 year old Floyd is better defensively than the Clottey Pac fought. Floyd consistently gets hit with only 20% of his opponents punches and he lands 45% consistently. No one is more accurate, no one has a better +/-. There is no asset Pac holds that suggests that he can land more than 20% of his punches.