Holmes and Right handed punchers

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Bummy Davis, Feb 22, 2015.


  1. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    23,667
    2,153
    Aug 26, 2004
    Larry was extremely admirable in his fight with Shavers and Snipes but Shavers was known for letting guys off the hook who were dropped and hurt and Snipes was green and not really known as an elite puncher. Larry was a great fighter but vulnerable to right hands.

    Most of the big right hand punchers did not get to fight Larry for some reason or the other or they fought Larry very green 16 fights and under.

    What good right hand punchers could not hurt Larry with the right hand?
     
  2. N_ N___

    N_ N___ Boxing Addict Full Member

    6,204
    93
    Oct 1, 2014
  3. N_ N___

    N_ N___ Boxing Addict Full Member

    6,204
    93
    Oct 1, 2014
    Mike Spinks is a good answer.
     
  4. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

    25,427
    9,406
    Jul 15, 2008
    Well 68 guys did not get away from Earnie. That aside, come on Bummy ..

    Holmes defeated Earnie Shavers, Ken Norton, Mike Weaver, Tim Witherspoon, Trevor Berbick, Bonecrusher Smith, Ray Mercer and fought competitive fights well past forty against Evander Holyfield and Oliver McCall .. sixty nine fights, stopped once against a prime Tyson a bout he was poorly prepared for .. the Tyson fight aside he never did not hit the floor in twenty one years , from 1981 to 2002 ..

    If you want to split hairs, you can do it against any fighter .. Holmes was an exceptional heavyweight champion and his record proves it .. make your case about his weakness and I'll return serve with like kind...
     
  5. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    23,667
    2,153
    Aug 26, 2004
    I did not say who he beat, I said who did not hurt him, Smith was 14-1 and shook him, Spoon and Williams had 16 fights and shook him many times, 18-9 Mike Weaver had him hurt many times and some say the best right hand punchers were Coetzee, Page, My point is Larry was vulnerable and even the old Norton hurt him. Larry used his experience well and was the best of his era but I cant help wondering if he ended up like he did against Tyson vs a great right hand banger

    Holmes was my favorite of that era but I wish he fought the best, not the young inexperienced but I will except the answer you gave McCall and Mercer and Evander but more of a testimony to Larry experience and boxing ability but he did survive them
     
  6. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

    38,042
    7,557
    Jul 28, 2004
    Bummy, I've often been curious about if the Coetzee fight had been made, if a "bionic right" hand would have found it's way to Holmes'chin.
     
  7. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

    25,427
    9,406
    Jul 15, 2008
    Coetzee beat no one in his career but a drugged out Mike Dokes ..

    He was diced up by John Tate

    He was KO'ed by Mike Weaver

    He drew w Pinklon Thomas

    He was destroyed by Page.

    He was destroyed by Bruno.

    He made his career by KOing a near amateur in Leon Spinks on national TV after Spinks lost to Ali and did not have any significant wins in his whole career but Dokes .. if you think this one dimensional, one armed fighter was beating Holmes that's a hell of a long shot ..
     
  8. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

    38,042
    7,557
    Jul 28, 2004
    I didn't suggest that he would have beaten Holmes...I merely speculated on what would have happened if one of his right hands connected. If Snipes could deck Holmes, Coetzee certainly could have...he had a better right than Snipes.
     
  9. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

    8,509
    3,099
    Feb 17, 2008
    He's very fortunate he lost to Bobick when he did. Stevenson and his big right hand was the next fight. A bad loss there and just what way does that pro career go? That easily could have made for 3 bad ko defeats---2 to Wells and a Stevenson. That's an awful lot to recover and rebound from.

    Speaking of Wells, it his his right hook that got him and not the southpaw's left. A southpaw with a nasty right hook is a problem for anyone.
     
  10. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    23,667
    2,153
    Aug 26, 2004
    I remember Holmes losing to Bobick and Wells and yes T.Stevenson would have been damaging for Holmes. I never expected the then trial horse 18-9 Weaver to nearly upset Holmes but that fight gave Weaver confidence
     
  11. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    23,667
    2,153
    Aug 26, 2004

    I agree Coetzee had Snipes on the floor 2X but he was robbed by King and Snipes got the shot at Holmes. Holmes was more skilled than Gerry but styles make strange happenings, if Snipes could almost blast Larry out, Coetzee certainly would have a chance and thus make for an interesting fight. Page was another when in Shape had a potent and quick sneaky right hand. Thomas was OK and a rematch with a confident Weaver may have been interesting

    but i agree with you Coetzee may have been able to land thunder better than Renaldo who did pretty well
     
  12. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

    25,427
    9,406
    Jul 15, 2008
    Yeah you guys are right. He really turned out to be a bust as a pro. :nut
     
  13. Titan1

    Titan1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    12,683
    2,560
    Oct 18, 2004
    I think Greg would have decked Larry, but he definitley would have had to been in shape.And when he decked Holmes, Holmes would be in very serious trouble.
     
  14. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

    51,074
    25,176
    Jan 3, 2007
    Holmes had a weakness for getting hit with rights. But its not something that was unmanageable. He survived the best right handed fighters he ever faced with the exception of one whom he met at 38 years of age and after two years in retirement.
     
  15. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

    38,042
    7,557
    Jul 28, 2004
    That would give say....Max Schmeling a pretty good shot at Holmes, wouldn't it? I would say Baer and Johansson as well, but Schmeling's right, though not singularly as lethal as the other two I mentioned, had an educated, more strategic delivery.