A question to Roy Jones Jnr fans about his win over J Toney

I got his birth year wrong, lets move on shall we.

Kalambay then went on to beat Steve Collins in 1992, a year after he lost to shot Mike McCallum.

Was Steve Collins a legitimate threat to prime Roy Jones Jr. in your opinion?

 

It'll be interesting to see how Kov's career unfolds.

That's cool that you're older than 65.

You must have got a ton of knowledge.

If you don't mind me asking, have you ever fought before? Either in a gym or on the street etc?

You shouldn't have told me your age, because I'm a nosy f*cker and I'll be wanting to ask you all sorts of questions now.

 

A simple mistake.

Believe it or not the MM that lost to Kalambay was actually a better fighter than the one that got the SD win over Sumbu. The African / adopted Italian was a very good fighter himself though. Don't worry about that.

 

I did a bit of ama, but soon realised that I'd be better off the other side of the ropes. So I got into training as an assistant, ended up match making and judging, before retiring in 2007.

As for street fighting, not really, just the odd s**** as most people do who live in rough areas at some stage of their lives.

Though I admit to doing some bad things violence wise, but I did my time, and its all finished with now. I spent the millenium banged up, and it is no place for a 50+ year old to be, I can tell you that.

But if it came to a choice, either be bullied or jailed, I'd take jail every time.

 

Off topic,

I've just watched a great sparring session between Gerald McClellan and James Toney.

I've never seen it before.

Cool stuff.

If anyone's interested, here's the link:

http://youtu.be/rds2-iNML00

 

Guys, the fact that Dumb Dumb is using all of his alt's to argue with you guys each day tells you that you're winning. He was not watching boxing then. When I see him talk about McCallum, he went to boxingrec and then Google.

When he talks about Johnson, he googled the articles. Toney was well respect by everyone around the world because of how often he fought, and how he was knocking guys out. You can't change boxing history, it's embarrassing to see a Joe Calzaghe fan question Toneys wins or losses when he didn't lose or deserve to lose under his many alts. Foxy aka Dumb Dumb aka Bailey aka Serge aka many alts does not want you to think that Jones was better than Calzaghe.

I was watching boxing then, I saw Calzaghe then. I saw jones, McCallum, johnson, Toney, Castro, I saw all of the boxers and their fights that you're talking about. You can't change boxing history.

This mofo has multiple personalities, but the same flaw keeps popping up lol...

 

No, it's quite believable. What's not believable is that McCallum was not still an elite fighter when he fought Toney in 1991.

Incidentally, on the topic of Toney. Sumbu Kalambay was a great fighter who gave prime McCallum fits in 1988. Nunn famously sparked out Kalambay in 1 round in a "knockout of the year".

James Toney TKO'd Nunn two years later. Only one fighter KOed Nunn in over 58 fights.

James Toney was a great fighter.

 

Well well another example of Dizzy Lizzy's paranoia. Haven't you any pants to sniff, or pictures of young boys to look at? The only people that would take any notice of you would be fellow Muricans, and they are worth less than the Taliban to me.

What you know about boxing could be written on the eye of a needle and still leave room for Tolstoy's War and Peace, as evidenced by your stupid Murray to KO Golovkin thread.

They don't come much more fvcking stupid than that.

 

So by your reckoning Kalambay was a better fighter than Toney, because in 3 attempts he didn't give McCallum " fits " did he?

:rofl:rofl:rofl

What a lot of sh it you write.

 

Pictures of young boys to look at? Look, I understand that your pu ssy ass is mad at me, but wtf is on your mind??? You took a turn down ***gicy lane with that one.

But that's what uneducated degenerates do when they are ****ed. Strike back with vengeance upon me. You must not have children. You're the first to say something like that in a long time.

They should ban your sorry ass for the thought. Matter of fact, Imma see if they ban you. People have kids here.

 

Mike at 35 was much better than Roy at 35, and quite honestly would have put Roy to sleep IMO. Everybody is different, and ages different.. Many many things contribute. It is not as simple as just looking at a number.

We all get what you are trying to do, discredit Toney at all costs, so Roy's victory over him isn't as big, therefore elivating Calzaghe.. It's crystal clear for anyone with a brain.

Toney was put to the test against some great fighters at a young age without a ton of amateur experience... Many fighters would have folded, its sad you are on here trying to take away from it.

Answer honestly, was Bernard Hopkins better at 28 or 35?

 

Yeah, I have two young boys..

That sh*t simply is not funny. The other day he insulted my mother too... I could only wish he would have the ***** to say that to my face, the last person that insulted my mother, it didn't turn out too well for them.

I also don't believe for a second that he is older than 65. I am a culinary director at a retirement home and over the past 6 years have met hundreds of senior citizens and known them on a personal level..

With some of the garbage he posts, with his childish insults, I don't buy it one bit.

He is a fool.

 

Foxy is in a bind here. He want to claim the RJJ showed no decline from 33-40, he has suggested as much by bringing up Lebedev and Johnson fights as if they were meaningful.

But to discredit Roy's win over Toney, he needs to argue that McCallum dramatically faded in a 20 month period between 1990 and 1991.

He has a further difficulty in that he has great regard for Steve Collins, Michael Watson and Nigel Benn which means he has to walk a tightrope to explain the various losses of those fighters to a past prime McCallum and past prime Kalambay.

In the end, the contortions he gets himself into reveal that he's not actually engaged in honest debate, but just wrangling facts to arrive a the conclusion that maximally discredits Roy Jones wins over James Toney and by extension Toney's wins over McCallum and others.

 

Good post..

The versions of McCallum Toney fought would be a good test for anyone. Sure he wasn't peak, but still elite.

Just as Roy wasn't peak when he fought Clinton Woods, still would have been a great test for any body 168-175.

 

From 1985 onwards, Mike beats all of them.