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A question to Roy Jones Jnr fans about his win over J Toney

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by bailey, Feb 19, 2015.

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conraddobler said: ↑

favorite post of the thread has to be: "bailey, I don't want tough debates".
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I make the debates dummy and lead the way. You are just a low level player on my board, that I could wipe off at any time :yep

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BlizzyBlizz said: ↑

If he comes back, imma **** all over Baileys alt I mean Dumb Dumb just like I did Bailey lol.

Bailey: You said you were leaving Blizz lol...

You brought me back like Michael Corleone. You drew me back in lol!
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Of course you were drawn back in. I understand you didnt want to leave on a brutal loss. Dumb dumb, because now there will be worse to come

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lordofmay said: ↑

Oh my god and that didn't happen to Toney? I already brought this up earlier in the thread apparently you chose to ignore it.

Charles Williams had THE SAME EXACT TRAINER AS TIBERI AND IMPLEMENTED THE SAME GAMEPLAN. Would you like to debate the outcome of that fight?
Or whether Tiberi was a better fighter than Charles Williams?

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Well you walked right onto your own stupidity with that answer, whether I completely agree or not because Williams was having good success against Toney and had Toney battered and bruised before the finish where one judge had Williams ahead

Iran Barkley also had the same gameplan lol.

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Forgetting that Barkley was a fighter who was faded and had been beaten by a former LW and blown away in a round by Benn.
You that daft that you dont think all fighters are different in speed, durability, punch power etc and think that it is just a game plan atsch. What did I say about things being exposed that a top fighter could capitalise on? Obviously you didnt understand

So did Glenn Wolfe the fight right after Tiberi...
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Havent seen the Wolfe fight, but what level was Wolfe, because if you are crediting Toney for that win, I cant go much further with someone as daft

Toney landed almost 500 punches in that fight.
Vassily Jirov too haha.

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Tell me, what were Jirovs top 5 wins?

So do you think a journeyman boxer who has lost far more than won could execute a top game plan on a top fighter and win on average? I would say not because its about levels and Toney had problems at a lower level, problems that could be used when facing top fighters
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Loudon said: ↑

I don't have to read that link.

We've already discussed Tiberi.

It was a bad day at the office, in the middle of a busy schedule. It happens. How many examples do you want?

But Toney was still classed as one of the best fighters in the world when he fought Roy.

I agree that Mike was past his best, but again, he was still an elite fighter. Look who'd he beaten just prior. He beat Kalambay who went on to beat Herol Graham etc.

Simply put, drawing with Mike McCallum in 1992 in an extremely close fight, does not mean that you aren't one of the best fighters in the world.
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What about S Williams?

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BlizzyBlizz said: ↑

Toney beat Tiberi. I saw the fight live. I even posted the video for you all to see. Tiberi had his moments but he clearly lost. The crowd had a lot of influence on punches that landed and didn't land. Toneys punches landed cleaner. When you hear James Toney after the fight he's dead on.
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What about in 09 which was after?

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BlizzyBlizz said: ↑

You're a phony and a wanna be. I hate mofos like you. Impostors in life and impostors when it comes to the fighters that you don't like. You can't be objective, and that's where you'll always fail when talking boxing with a real fan like myself and others. Cry baby. You know that I know you have like 5 Alts maybe more.
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What a joker Blizzy is . Blizzy a real fan atsch

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Imperial1 said: ↑

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Yeah its best you just sit this one out and watch. This is big boy stuff now. In fact might be best you leave

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general zod said: ↑

How on earth was I decimated by Bailey?
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By posting on here and bottling answering the question

Answering his question is completely pointless

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There we go

I attacked Calzaghe? Posting quotes from the man himself is now attacking him?

I'm obsessed? The only reason you post in this forum is to defend Calzaghe. This entire thread is about Calzaghe. All you guys do is trash the resumes of other smw's in an attempt to elevate Calzaghe's resume. You trash Toney for losing to Tiberi but would you trash Eubank for getting out-boxed by club fighter level Schommer or Reid for getting out-boxed by journeyman level Malinga? Of course not.

You criticize Jones for not fighting Collins but you never criticize Calzaghe for all of the times he looked the other way. He could of fought D.M, Pavlik or Dawson, but he chose to look the other way.

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And then you go all irrelevant again atsch:yep
Yes you were owned
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Why was the version of Mike that fought Toney in 91, nothing like the version that fought Watson in 90?

He gave a good account of himself against Roy, and he made Roy very cautious. Roy had a lot of respect for him, but I agree that he should have retired by then.

What did you think of his fight against Tiozzo?

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That Tiozzo won

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I will return

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Well you walked right onto your own stupidity with that answer, whether I completely agree or not because Williams was having good success against Toney and had Toney battered and bruised before the finish where one judge had Williams ahead

Forgetting that Barkley was a fighter who was faded and had been beaten by a former LW and blown away in a round by Benn.
You that daft that you dont think all fighters are different in speed, durability, punch power etc and think that it is just a game plan atsch. What did I say about things being exposed that a top fighter could capitalise on? Obviously you didnt understand

Havent seen the Wolfe fight, but what level was Wolfe, because if you are crediting Toney for that win, I cant go much further with someone as daft
Tell me, what were Jirovs top 5 wins?

So do you think a journeyman boxer who has lost far more than won could execute a top game plan on a top fighter and win on average? I would say not because its about levels and Toney had problems at a lower level, problems that could be used when facing top fighters
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Okay well you obviously didn't watch the Williams fight. If you think Toney was at any point in trouble of losing that fight you flat out didn't watch the fight. All the judges scored the fight as a win for Toney. Toney already had Williams staggered 10 seconds into the 2nd round. He staggered him multiple times in the fight. Williams never went down because he was leaning on Toney all night until the 12th round and he went to sleep.

I don't even know where that journeyman question is coming from. Yeah Barkley was def shot. He was only coming off winning two world titles in two fights just a year earlier, but shot nonetheless.

If you didn't think Jirov was the top CW at the time Toney beat him who the fvck was?

Sure Glenn Wolfe was certainly not a top fighter, but lost more than won? The guy lost 4 times all to world champs. Not to mention Toney barely even exerted himself in that fight, almost frustratingly, and still won practically every round. The point wasn't about him being a top fighter, but he was the same level as Tiberi.

Youre just dragging this on for no reason. I was joking about trying to argue the outcome of the Williams fight, but you actually did. Williams was put to sleep, yet I'm the daft one. So Ill ask again are you actually trying to tell me Tiberi would have won in a rematch? You are clueless.
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bailey said: ↑

Yeah its best you just sit this one out and watch. This is big boy stuff now. In fact might be best you leave
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Silence Ant !

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Mind Reader said: ↑

Mike at 35 was much better than Roy at 35, and quite honestly would have put Roy to sleep IMO. Everybody is different, and ages different.. Many many things contribute. It is not as simple as just looking at a number.

We all get what you are trying to do, discredit Toney at all costs, so Roy's victory over him isn't as big, therefore elivating Calzaghe.. It's crystal clear for anyone with a brain.

Toney was put to the test against some great fighters at a young age without a ton of amateur experience... Many fighters would have folded, its sad you are on here trying to take away from it.

Answer honestly, was Bernard Hopkins better at 28 or 35?
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Well said:good

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Mind Reader said: ↑

Yeah, I have two young boys..

That sh*t simply is not funny. The other day he insulted my mother too... I could only wish he would have the ***** to say that to my face, the last person that insulted my mother, it didn't turn out too well for them.

I also don't believe for a second that he is older than 65. I am a culinary director at a retirement home and over the past 6 years have met hundreds of senior citizens and known them on a personal level..

With some of the garbage he posts, with his childish insults, I don't buy it one bit.

He is a fool.
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And we are only talking boxing. Like how mad are you really getting???

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bailey said: ↑

Of course you were drawn back in. I understand you didnt want to leave on a brutal loss. Dumb dumb, because now there will be worse to come
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I gave you a way out, but your embarrassing answers are too funny to Just totally disregard. My point was made. I exlaxed on you. I'm past that point. I'm reading and adding on to what other posters are saying lol. You're a hilarious guy who just won't give up.

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