A question to Roy Jones Jnr fans about his win over J Toney

BlizzyBlizz · Feb 25, 2015

bailey said: ↑

Well you walked right onto your own stupidity with that answer, whether I completely agree or not because Williams was having good success against Toney and had Toney battered and bruised before the finish where one judge had Williams ahead

Forgetting that Barkley was a fighter who was faded and had been beaten by a former LW and blown away in a round by Benn.
You that daft that you dont think all fighters are different in speed, durability, punch power etc and think that it is just a game plan atsch. What did I say about things being exposed that a top fighter could capitalise on? Obviously you didnt understand

Havent seen the Wolfe fight, but what level was Wolfe, because if you are crediting Toney for that win, I cant go much further with someone as daft
Tell me, what were Jirovs top 5 wins?

So do you think a journeyman boxer who has lost far more than won could execute a top game plan on a top fighter and win on average? I would say not because its about levels and Toney had problems at a lower level, problems that could be used when facing top fighters
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Dobs destroyed this thinking lol. Benn beat Barkley, Toney beat McCallum, McCallum beat Benn and Watson, Watson beat Benn, Toney beat Barkley. Lol...
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bailey · Feb 26, 2015

Foxy 01 said: ↑

Well well there is a surprise. Tell me what do you think the result would have been of a survey conducted in Jamaica, or even the whole of the Caribbean?
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Thats a very good point

bailey · Feb 26, 2015

conraddobler said: ↑

I got his birth year wrong, lets move on shall we.

Kalambay then went on to beat Steve Collins in 1992, a year after he lost to shot Mike McCallum.

Was Steve Collins a legitimate threat to prime Roy Jones Jr. in your opinion?
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Different weight divisions and times of careers.
some fighters just dont do as well in other weight divisions. Look at how G Johnson was not able to compete at SMW but world class at LHW, or J Taylor who was effective at MW, but couldnt compete at SMW

bailey · Feb 26, 2015

BlizzyBlizz said: ↑

Guys, the fact that Dumb Dumb is using all of his alt's to argue with you guys each day tells you that you're winning. He was not watching boxing then. When I see him talk about McCallum, he went to boxingrec and then Google.

When he talks about Johnson, he googled the articles. Toney was well respect by everyone around the world because of how often he fought, and how he was knocking guys out. You can't change boxing history, it's embarrassing to see a Joe Calzaghe fan question Toneys wins or losses when he didn't lose or deserve to lose under his many alts. Foxy aka Dumb Dumb aka Bailey aka Serge aka many alts does not want you to think that Jones was better than Calzaghe.

I was watching boxing then, I saw Calzaghe then. I saw jones, McCallum, johnson, Toney, Castro, I saw all of the boxers and their fights that you're talking about. You can't change boxing history.

This mofo has multiple personalities, but the same flaw keeps popping up lol...
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atsch What a ****

bailey · Feb 26, 2015

lordofmay said: ↑

Okay well you obviously didn't watch the Williams fight. If you think Toney was at any point in trouble of losing that fight you flat out didn't watch the fight. All the judges scored the fight as a win for Toney. Toney already had Williams staggered 10 seconds into the 2nd round. He staggered him multiple times in the fight. Williams never went down because he was leaning on Toney all night until the 12th round and he went to sleep.

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What a load of rubbish. It was a close tough fight before the finish
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2DMxvW9Hok
Notice the commentators even say its anyones fight at the start of the 9th

Look at Toneys eye at the end, It was a tough fight for both and listen to the commentary that agrees more with me than it does you

I don't even know where that journeyman question is coming from. Yeah Barkley was def shot. He was only coming off winning two world titles in two fights just a year earlier, but shot nonetheless.

If you didn't think Jirov was the top CW at the time Toney beat him who the fvck was?

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Have you got Jirovs top 5 wins?

Sure Glenn Wolfe was certainly not a top fighter, but lost more than won? The guy lost 4 times all to world champs. Not to mention Toney barely even exerted himself in that fight, almost frustratingly, and still won practically every round. The point wasn't about him being a top fighter, but he was the same level as Tiberi.

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Are you this silly? Different fight, different fighter atsch

Youre just dragging this on for no reason. I was joking about trying to argue the outcome of the Williams fight, but you actually did. Williams was put to sleep, yet I'm the daft one. So Ill ask again are you actually trying to tell me Tiberi would have won in a rematch? You are clueless
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I couldnt tell you how a rematch with Tiberi would go, but can only go on the fight that did happen.
As for Williams. Look what I wrote, it was a tough close fight before the finish and it was. This seems like something else that troubles you
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bailey · Feb 26, 2015

Imperial1 said: ↑

Silence Ant !
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You being brave now

bailey · Feb 26, 2015

BlizzyBlizz said: ↑

I gave you a way out, but your embarrassing answers are too funny to Just totally disregard. My point was made. I exlaxed on you. I'm past that point. I'm reading and adding on to what other posters are saying lol. You're a hilarious guy who just won't give up.
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Gave me a way out when around 3 times, you have said im off this thread after a schooling and then coming back . Yeah you really proved something

Loudon · Feb 26, 2015

Foxy 01 said: ↑

I did a bit of ama, but soon realised that I'd be better off the other side of the ropes. So I got into training as an assistant, ended up match making and judging, before retiring in 2007.

As for street fighting, not really, just the odd s**** as most people do who live in rough areas at some stage of their lives.

Though I admit to doing some bad things violence wise, but I did my time, and its all finished with now. I spent the millenium banged up, and it is no place for a 50+ year old to be, I can tell you that.

But if it came to a choice, either be bullied or jailed, I'd take jail every time.
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Great post!

Thanks a lot for sharing that.

:good

lordofmay · Feb 26, 2015

bailey said: ↑

What a load of rubbish. It was a close tough fight before the finish

Notice the commentators even say its anyones fight at the start of the 9th

Look at Toneys eye at the end, It was a tough fight for both and listen to the commentary that agrees more with me than it does you

Have you got Jirovs top 5 wins?

Are you this silly? Different fight, different fighter atsch
I couldnt tell you how a rematch with Tiberi would go, but can only go on the fight that did happen.
As for Williams. Look what I wrote, it was a tough close fight before the finish and it was. This seems like something else that troubles you
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Dude you are actually trying to argue Toney knocking Williams out... NOTICE THE BOXER ON THE BLUE CANVAS WHO GOT KTFO? Give me something reasonable to work with. Are you also gonna bring up the compubox stats in the Nunn fight? Again you refuse to answer the hypothetical question about a rematch.

Odd because the only reason you've kept this thread going for so long is your perception that people didn't answer your initial question.

What is your goal here anyway?
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bailey · Feb 26, 2015

BlizzyBlizz said: ↑

Dobs destroyed this thinking lol. Benn beat Barkley, Toney beat McCallum, McCallum beat Benn and Watson, Watson beat Benn, Toney beat Barkley. Lol...
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Not sure what your relevance here is or whats been destroyed. He was commenting on the Barkley win and I noted at that time Barkley had lost to a former LW and been blasted out in a round by Benn. What are you going on about

Loudon · Feb 26, 2015

Bobthepen said: ↑

From 1985 onwards, Mike beats all of them.
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:good

Loudon · Feb 26, 2015

bailey said: ↑

What about S Williams?
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What about him?

bailey · Feb 26, 2015

lordofmay said: ↑

Dude you are actually trying to argue Toney knocking Williams out...

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:huh No I havent. I said it was a tough fight before the finish. Cant you read properly?
Where have I said otherwise?

Again you refuse to answer the hypothetical question about a rematch.
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So earlier in this thread you didnt like hyperthetical questions and here you are admitting to asking them atsch.
Its not that I dont want to answer, but struggle to answer due to how close the fight was. Cant see what the problem with that is?
There are many examples of close fights being completely different in a rematch, and that may be case here, but the original fight happened and problems were seen

Odd because the only reason you've kept this thread going for so long is your perception that people didn't answer your initial question.

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Many didnt

What is your goal here anyway?
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Read the thread start, im asking if people feel the win would have been viewed as greatly if there had of been losses in some of those close fights
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bailey · Feb 26, 2015

Loudon said: ↑

What about him?
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That was also a draw first time round

HerolGee · Feb 26, 2015

yes toney destroys calzaghe, very true.

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